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Baroque D 664 for the gallery Kelston ceramics

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Post  mumof1 on Mon 14 Nov - 12:23



Unusual design, have been to Eclectic Antique Centre in Nelson who kindly let me take photos! Fantastic shop, could spend all day in there! sunny
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Re: Baroque D 664 for the gallery Kelston ceramics

Post  Ev on Mon 14 Nov - 18:12

Thank you sunshine sunny and thank you Eclectic Antique Centre Nelson Very Happy
I see the numbers as 664 .... will check the Database as this pattern is on there Smile
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Post  Ev on Tue 15 Nov - 7:25

Yes the number is d664 so I will change the title to make it correct Smile
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Post  Ev on Mon 13 Jan - 7:22

Fi sent this photo to the site to show that Baroque comes in three colours, but the pattern number is the same.  Thank you Fi !

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Post  JanPots on Sat 19 Dec - 10:06

Hi Ev:- Re the photo of the other 2 colours, Fi says they are the same pattern number but they look like they are on ash rather than low sol?

If so, could they be Gothic Tan and Gothic brown....
Portage trust. pattern- says Tan on ash and Brown on ash
The Auckland museum has these listed as well
( Edit. removed image of A.Museum records)

Secondly :-
Portage trust: in the folder "not used yet" there "Eden Green"  ( with no pattern number)  could this be it?

( Edit. removed image Eden Green from Portage trust record )


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Re: Baroque D 664 for the gallery Kelston ceramics

Post  Ev on Sat 19 Dec - 12:14

I would say your thoughts would be correct re the first two. I would still like to go over them though.
Re the green one the only thing bothering me is the Antique Green which we have established the colour for now. I will look into it when I can. I seem to remember that there are a few patterns that look like this.
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Post  Ev on Sat 19 Dec - 19:12

There are a few patterns in that lot that were put into production, even though they don't have a number designation in those records.
Now we have to decide if these other two patterns from Fi are
Gothic Tan d754 and Gothic Brown d755 ..... or
Eden Tan and Eden Brown ..... or
if they are indeed Baroque as Fi has stated.
The Eden Green has the same engraving number, but it's the Antique Green 422/4
that is bugging me. Also the matching cup is a 3038 with Antique Green on the outside and HGM [High Glaze Matt] on the inside. It doesn't match that green colour does it? It's a browny green. Keep this boiling Janice!
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Baroque Cup in Tan

Post  JanPots on Sat 19 Dec - 19:37

I will add this cup here - and at least they are all together for when we figure out the names.
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Post  Ev on Sat 19 Dec - 20:10

Now that cup is definitely Tan isn't it ? 3033 Shape.
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Post  JanPots on Sun 20 Dec - 7:10

It is tan but on a white glaze unless it is HGM?
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Post  Ev on Sun 20 Dec - 7:19

Do you have something else in that glaze that you can identify from the records?
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Post  Ev on Sun 20 Dec - 9:10

Xmas lunch today for those that will be away next Friday and I shouldn't be here, but I found that I wasn't quite right re the HGM.
It refers to the High Gloss Micaceous glaze and I think the micaceous refers to speckles in the glaze.  I'm trying to find other patterns that use this glaze and in doing so I've found there is a wealth of info regarding glazes and their glazes numbers.  So I will have to record all of these so that we can find examples easily of each one.

Found an example and you have it Janice:
Arcadia d445 is on HGM. Please check it out for colour/speckles/details and get back to me. Now I can get on with lunch Smile
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Post  JanPots on Mon 21 Dec - 7:51

Ev.. Hope lunch was yum!
Did you find that HGM has the Deco number 026? That seems to be the case from the decoration number book.
I will check as you suggest, but the Arcadia plate was not mine, there will be other though. I am out & about today/tomorrow but when I get chance I will look. Razz Razz
I would love to see what info you have on the glazes  Cool
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Post  Ev on Mon 21 Dec - 18:50

I did have a record in the Data Base for High Glaze Misc BR BN 26
but also HGM Vases 173 which are both mysteries to me.
Though I did see that Newport uses the HGM glaze and I have that, but haven't had a chance to check it out, though I don't recall speckles. Hang on I have a pic and will post it ...


The Glaze names so far are:
Glow White
Low Sol
HGM
Clear Glaze
Star Blue Glaze
Buff
Ivory
but that is just a tiny look at the records, so an in depth study is required.
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Post  JanPots on Tue 22 Dec - 8:41

I have those glaze name too -- Interesting to find out what they look like Cool
I will try to have a look when I get a chance. Very Happy
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Post  Ev on Wed 23 Dec - 17:11

I asked Tom Clark the cousin on Facebook about micaceous and this was his reply ...
"Micacaecious stands for the speck on the glaze this was tiny specks of magnetic iron introduced into the glaze"
So even though I can't see the speck in that glaze on Newport, I was on the right track Smile

Edits to add that under magnification there is a tiny speckle in the very glossy glaze and I should be able to identify it again if I see it now.
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Gothic brown maybe?

Post  JanPots on Mon 22 Feb - 20:26

I found this on the weekend.  It's brown baroque pattern but the glaze is not white.
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Post  Ev on Tue 23 Feb - 6:34

It's too difficult to see what the background glaze is Janice. Have you checked the records as I think there are at least 5 different Baroque looking patterns.
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Post  Ev on Mon 28 Aug - 11:48

miranda g has sent this photo to the site and thinks that the background is clover. Perhaps the background is Ash like the ones the Janice has?
All of the records I have for variations on this pattern are on HGM that is High Glaze and some other word like Micacious. Please help Janice, as one day these will all fall into place Laughing

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Post  JanPots on Mon 28 Aug - 18:29

I think these are Gothic brown 755 and Gothic Tan 754, as they use 3033 cups which I have and its not a clover glaze its lighter coloured glaze ie Ash.
well that's my thoughts anyhoo
Based on the Portage trust records
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'Eden' could be the ugly looking photo of the over" green plate" but not convinced. LOL
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Post  miranda g on Tue 29 Aug - 13:06

Thank you Ev and Janice - I'm interested to learn that there are different names for what I assumed was "clover" background. Ash! What others are there please? E.g. do the backgrounds of Herald, Earthstone Landscape and Gothic (that I thought was Baroque) all have different names? Because my plates of these patterns all suddenly look slightly different! Fascinating stuff - lots to learn.

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