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This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

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Post  Ev on Sun 3 Feb - 18:34

Although the glaze is not one that I'm familiar with ......?




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Post  mumof1 on Sun 3 Feb - 20:51

I noticed a similar shell vase on TM recently, but the glaze looked wrong and it was unmarked
http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/crown-lynn/vases/auction-554290332.htm I just wasn't sure about it, as all mine just have a different look to them.
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Post  Ev on Mon 4 Feb - 6:03

How does the base compare to the ones you have sunny? I have an Anselmi that I will take a look at after work tonight. I see that they were made for Salisbury's, so colours could be very varied .....
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Post  mumof1 on Mon 4 Feb - 10:38

I am away camping at the moment, but will post a photo when I get back in the next few days. From memory the bases on mine are like the vases, i.e. the base is slightly concave and has a definite edge to it.
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Post  Ev on Mon 4 Feb - 16:10

My Anselmi shell vase which is the same as the Crown Lynn 631 has an unglazed footring and inside this ring the base is glazed.
Kat it looks like the base on your one is flat ..... is that right?
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 4 Feb - 19:48

Yes flat & unglazed on the bottom...
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Post  mumof1 on Wed 6 Feb - 15:49


Here are 5 of my shells, all slightly different in colouring on stands and shells, but nothing like that of Kat & Co.

And all have the same base, this one seems less defined than the others, but all have the number 631 on them also. None have a CL stamp. My thought would be that it is not Crown Lynn, but having said that, a couple of my unmarked miniatures (the photo I sent for the waifs topic) have bases which look like Kat's shell, so who knows! sunny
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Post  Kat & Co. on Wed 6 Feb - 16:12

Is it possible that it is decorated at Salisbury or similar with this sraypainted matt finish? cheers kat
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Post  mumof1 on Wed 6 Feb - 16:16

Have just noticed this listing, which looks just like my shells...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=559982532
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Kat, I think all of mine are painted rather than glazed, possibly by Salisbury, as they have the odd little pin head of paint loss on some, which seems to be the case with most of them. Would that be right Ev?
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Post  Kat & Co. on Wed 6 Feb - 16:28

yes the green & gold is painted on white body..thanks for help
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Post  Ev on Wed 6 Feb - 19:56

Salisburys bought high fired bisque ware from Crown Lynn and then painted them before selling them. There is a huge range that was painted by Salisburys. The early pieces have pictures of flowers etc painted on them and the later pieces from the 1960's are recognisable more for their colours. Unfortunately the paint they used doesn't last like glaze does and bits fall off and many pieces look worse for wear ....
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Shells together...

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Post  Ev on Tue 26 Mar - 9:54

Hmmm there is some size variation with those two ....
I have measurements at home ... just have to remember to find them ..
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Post  mumof1 on Tue 26 Mar - 10:03

The whole design is slightly different isn't it? It couldn't be Australian could it? I have seen several on e-bay and then realised they were Raynham or Diana. Will post a link if I come across one.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Tue 26 Mar - 11:53

I still think its just an early example, they must have used different moulds over the years.. when you look into the interior the shape is identical...  theres just less detail on this smaller version maybe?


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Post  mumof1 on Tue 26 Mar - 11:58

Yes, if it is an Ambrico or specials dept, they tend to be smaller than the later versions of just about everything I have, in comparison. A great mystery, and we will solve it one day I'm sure! sunny
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Post  Ev on Wed 27 Mar - 8:31

Crown Lynn records have the measurement 5" for the 631 Shell vase with scallops and snails and was first made in 1961.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Wed 27 Mar - 9:26

Yes the bigger one is 5" smaller 4.5" cat
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Post  Kat & Co. on Wed 26 Feb - 14:07

This Shell vase is interesting with early Royal Oak Sticker & is painted..HHhhmmm.. Cool 
http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/crown-lynn/vases/auction-699024527.htm


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Post  Ev on Wed 26 Feb - 14:19

Are all of the 631's painted by Royal Oak/Salisbury .... I ask out loud?

Some shapes seem to have been made just for Owen Salisbury, actually there would be quite a few if I took the time to find them.
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Post  haselnuss on Wed 26 Feb - 14:33

Hello, I have got a marked 631 brown trickle glaze shell vase. When I first saw it I thought it was an Orzel glaze.



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Post  mumof1 on Thu 27 Feb - 16:16


Hi everyone, I have just been into Richmond, and viewed the Royal Oak shell vase that is up for auction. It is 4 1/2" high and has a FLAT base with a casting line through the middle, just like  Kat's and the one on the right in the photo sent by haselnuss, no foot ring. The base is totally unmarked, and the seller is going to add a photo of the base to the auction soon.  sunny 
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Post  Kat & Co. on Thu 27 Feb - 16:33

Excellent!! So... who made this shape first???  cat 
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Post  Ev on Thu 27 Feb - 17:02

Who made this shape first? Well as I said earlier, Crown Lynn made this shape for Royal Oak in September 1961. Royal Oak would have then painted them in a variety of colours and would put their Royal Oak sticker on them. Now that brown with a contrasting colour daubed on top is a weird one. It's not a triple glaze it's what we call one glaze on top of another. Could this have been fired by Royal Oak I wonder? Actually I have no idea as I haven't seen that combination before!
Now when did Royal Oak start making their own pottery again? I think it was in the 1960's but later rather than earlier. Royal Oak is synonymous when it comes to flat horrible bottoms!
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Post  Kat & Co. on Thu 27 Feb - 17:14

So did CL copy Royal Oak?  Suspect yes it looks like a Royal Oak bottom..
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