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This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  haselnuss on Thu 27 Feb - 17:19

Hello, the brown shell vase has the number 631 and an incised 7.
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Ev on Thu 27 Feb - 18:25

Hi does the brown one have a base rather than a flat bottom?
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  haselnuss on Sat 1 Mar - 18:52

Hello, The brown vase has a base and is the same size as all the numbered 631.
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Ev on Mon 29 Aug - 13:19

I saw this shell at the Antiques Fair yesterday and it was with a shape 631 shell vase decorated in the same colours.
Both vases have a flat base with no makers stamps or numbers.
This shell looked familiar and I got it in case it is in one of the many shell drawings that are in the Crown Lynn records.

I can't find a match, but now I have a feeling that it and the 631 flat based vases are not Crown Lynn.  The shell feels very light for it's size.  The details on the flat bottomed shell vases above are not as pronounced as they are on the Crown Lynn shell vases and we need to find out who made them.





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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Ev on Sun 4 Sep - 14:04

I just found this shell vase in the Salisbury/Royal Oak Catalogues, so my first thought was right that this shell and the shell vase were decorated by Salisbury.
Now to find out who made them !!!!  I've blown up the photo from the catalogue and it's in the middle.  I will add it to the Salisbury/Royal Oak Gallery.

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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Kat & Co. on Sun 4 Sep - 16:06

Nice shell shape too! Cool
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Maryr on Mon 5 Sep - 7:51

My Royal Oak contact said that sometimes they went to CL with shapes and asked CL to make them, so this is possible.
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Ev on Tue 13 Sep - 6:33

The Shell vase like the 631 but with a flat base  matching the snail shell vase that I purchased has been listed -
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1160000947

We have a list from the Modellers records that shows all of the shapes that were made for Royal Oak/Salisbury and they all have shape numbers Val.  I will dig it out one day.
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  oakpot on Tue 13 Sep - 19:57

The small shell vase with the so called....flat horrible bottoms!   
was made at AMBRICO for Royal Oak decorated by Ted Hart.
The larger 631 shape was made at CROWN LYNN for Royal Oak and decorated by Darryl Hargreaves.
The brown glazed one with the top dip, possibly glazed by Owen Salisbury

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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Maryr on Wed 14 Sep - 8:00

Thanks for this information Oakpot. It can be difficult to sort out what actually happened when there are so many variations on the same theme.
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  Ev on Wed 14 Sep - 8:15

Thanks oakpot for your information.
Here is a link to the Shapes that were made for Owen Salisbury from 1960 to 1964 and it includes the 631 Shell vase.

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5839-shapes-in-the-crown-lynn-modellers-book-for-owen-salisbury
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Hargreaves and Hargreaves

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 14 Sep - 12:28

oakpot wrote:The larger 631 shape was made at CROWN LYNN for Royal Oak and decorated by Darryl Hargreaves.

oakpot,
Was Darryl Hargreaves in any way related to Harry Hargreaves, designer of Wharetana?
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Re: This looks like the 631 Shell vase - from Kat & Co

Post  oakpot on Thu 15 Sep - 18:46

Jeremy,
Darryl is the son of Harry Hargreaves,he worked at Crown Lynn before moving to Royal Oak as a decorator of ceramics.There were many families working at C L during this period.

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