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Post  Jonno on Sun 17 Mar - 12:57

Noticed this auction on TM
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=570077689

Stated as CL but I don't think so as I have one of these and determined some time ago that is is a look-a-like as .506. is a low long type of vase.
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Post  Ev on Sun 17 Mar - 13:13

The 506 is a Titian number, however we found that when Crown Lynn took over the Titian factory they produced this little vase and gave it a four digit number .... which I cannot lay my hands on at the moment.
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Post  Jonno on Sun 17 Mar - 14:55

Thanks Ev,
So with the 3 digit .506. and no other indentification can I presume that this was made by Titian prior to their takeover by CL. Can't see a similar shape in the gallery of four digit CL pieces and of course it is not on the Titian shape gallery which stops below 200?.
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Post  Ev on Sun 17 Mar - 17:35

It seems that way Jonno. I've looked everywhere and can't find the Crown Lynn number for the 506.
Here is a photo of the 511 from hon-john
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I hope I haven't confused you even more Jonno ....
This topic comes up from time to time and here is a link to one of them -
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2058-two-crown-lynn-or-not


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Post  Jonno on Fri 22 Mar - 13:59

Confused? whats new. however I have sighted this post from you on the same subject

"Yes indeed that piece is Crown Lynn and when you get it check out the number on the base with a dot before and after the number.

We have sketchs of some of those low 500 numbers that are confused with Crown Lynn.
These have dots before and after the number, but don't relate to the Museum Crown Lynn Shape Guide.
Let me show you ....
506 " and several other pieces the sketch is the same as the 506 that I have and which started this topic.

Then further down your comment clinches the fact that mine with a 3digit and would have been made by Titian before CL took over , or so it seems to me?.

The reference to your post from April 2012 (I think) is
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3299-vase-unlikely-to-be-cl
and you need to go to the last entry to the affirmative comment.

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This is my .506.
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Post  Ev on Fri 22 Mar - 15:58

Hmmmm this is hard for me to convey.
It took mumof1 a while to figure it out.
Perhaps she can help you to understand ....?
These are just like the so called Metropolitan series that many people mistake as Crown Lynn, because they have three digits with dots before and after .... and Cam Brown Junior says that they were made by Titian .... does that make sense? It does to me.
Another enlightening factor was the listing that mumof1 found with one of these low Titian 500's with dots before and after the number as it had a crackle glaze and Crown Lynn haven't used a crackle glaze as far as I know.
Even more confusing is that Crown Lynn made some of these shapes after they took over Titian, but they gave them four digit numbers. So if they have three digits they were made by Titian and if these shapes have four digits they were made by Crown Lynn and are in their records. Good luck Jonno, I'm trying hard to explain a very confusing topic that keeps on being raised, because I can't explain it properly ....
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Post  Jonno on Fri 22 Mar - 16:16

Thanks Ev,
That is quite clear to me . I bought the vase because I liked the look and the feel of it
and I suspect it was before I got hooked on the great CL /Titian search but it is nice to know just where it came from.
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Post  mumof1 on Wed 3 Apr - 7:37

Someone understands about the 500 numbers - http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=578745084
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Post  Ev on Wed 3 Apr - 7:44

I was pleased when I noticed that auction ..... they are a member of the site too ..
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Post  Jonno on Wed 3 Apr - 17:25

Thanks for the auction site that really clinches the origin of my little vase and the pourer on that auction.
My vase is a .506. and the vase is a .509. and the script is identical, so made at Titian. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I also have a version of the .133. vase on the same site without the Crown Lynn backstamp and with a deep wine glaze . The numbers are exactly the same but in a different script all together to the two 500 items above.

When I say script I mean the shape of the digits which I presume were done by hand, so perhaps different 'hand' might be a better expression to use.
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