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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 10:07

All the Vitrified ware had it's own shape numbers, which makes sense to me as different clay and firing temps and even different glazes were used for Vitrified Ware.

Looking at some shapes that I have collected I would suggest that this range is the Stacking Hotel ware .... and was made in a few different glazes.

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The records show -
3622 - Stacking Hotel Tea Cup
3623 - Stacking Hotel Sugar Basin [as 3622]
1676 - Lid to 3623 [Stacking Hotel Sugar]
3624 - Stacking Hotel Coffee Cup
3625 - Stacking Hotel Egg Cup
1677 -Stacking Hotel Salt Shaker
1678 - Stacking Hotel Pepper Shaker
Just noticed these and I saw a 2 handled soup in a Ceramco booklet for the Hyatt Hotel in Rotorua .....
3627 - Soup Bouillon [3622 with 2 handles]
5618 - Cereal Soup with two Handles
5619 - Sugar Basin [as 5618]

These were all first made in January 1973.
I don't know whether the cup above is a tea cup or a coffee cup ..... help!
I do think that it's a great stacking cup Smile

Thoughts please .......[/strike]


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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 3 Feb - 10:33

Yup very good, the coffee cup is 5.5cmh same as jug & Tea cup 6.5cmh  cat 
ps but the jug has different handle?
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 11:26

Fantastic Kat as I only have the larger teacup. Yes the jug has a slightly different handle, but it is extremely similar and stacks nicely. Don't have any records for the 6611 vitrified jug, but at least it has a number on the base.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 3 Feb - 12:34

with this broadband out I just lost my post trying to send it when dial-up had switched off so I'll try again. No pics til broadband happens again.

One sugar bowl, 10 teacups (6.5) with SAUCERS, and SMALL BOWLS in Pioneer glaze from the same sauce, some years back. Saucers not noted above, nor bowls.
Saucer 13.5 x 1.7. The double foot ring on the cup locks into ridge on saucer but it LOOKS LIKE a well for a cup with a small base.
Bowl 14.5 x 3. Ridge on underside of rim. Bowls stack on rim not base.

The jug may turn up but maybe I never had one. (?)
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Found some jugs.
The 6610 jug is a good match for the cups. Same width and same stacking base, same handle shape too. It stacks perfectly with the cups. It stands 8.5cm H and looks like an extended version of the 6611, which doesn't stack with them.
They both appear to be vitrified. I have them in white.

Found two more matching sugar bowls too, one white, one teal with white inside.
White is vitrified, Teal may not be.


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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 12:44

Is it possible that these salt and peppers from hon-john are the stacking ones?
Now I know that this pattern is a vitrified one it has made me look at these with new eyes....... but my eyes fail to give me the answer I want!

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 3 Feb - 12:59

Ev, I added a little more above in an edit.

And editing again.
The handle on my 6611 looks a lot more like the cups than Kat's, which may be in the photography. The difference is that the cup handle LOOKS like a glue-on and the jug handle cast as one with the jug.
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 13:15

Thanks Jeremy, I don't think we have a number for that bigger 6611 do we?
Will leave the sugar bowls, unless they are stacking for another topic or it will get too confusing.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 3 Feb - 13:27

Ev, the sugar bowls all match the stacking ones in your pic.

The other bowls are just curved in cross-section.

There is no 6610 in the gallery and I will add it when I can.
Yes, the number is on the base.

As it stacks WITH the cups and as it has the same shape and size at the stacking end it looks a better match than the 6611 which has a shorter stacking bit.
The 6611s will stack together but not with the teacups.

Their spouts are the same shape.
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 13:32

Thanks again Jeremy as I'm not sure why we don't have the 6610 jug already?
It must be somewhere on here?
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Post  JanPots on Mon 3 Feb - 14:21

what would this little pot be in front of the S&P pots?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/crown-lynn/other/auction-690904469.htm
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 14:29

I have one of those and I call it a mustard pot.  I think it should have a lid.
I gave it the 5012 shape number - which could be wrong if it's part of the stacking hotel wares
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3934-a-little-mustard-pot-minus-it-s-lid?highlight=mustard
But look at the salt and pepper!!!  I really think they are the stacking ones!
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Post  ambrosia on Mon 3 Feb - 16:44

I remember stacking those salt and peppers in my parents restaurant when I was young. I had to wipe them all clean each day and stack them up on a tray. Their restaurant was full of Crown Lynn super vitrified but unfortunately they kept none of it. That shape with the maple pattern is exactly how I remember them except they were plain white or cream.

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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 16:56

Thanks ambrosia as that's all I need to give me the strength to give them a shape number and put them in the Four Digit Shapes Gallery cheers
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 3 Feb - 17:42

I think the salt n pepper is correct..Are these the egg cup shape?  cat 
4.5cmh x 5.5cmd
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 17:45

Crikey you could be right on the dot there Kat !!!!
Just let me put an egg in mine ..... Smile
I've never seen any with lids come to think of it .... beauty bonza!
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 18:31

Kat I only have size 6 eggs and one of those swim and flop about in the little pot so I'm not sure about them.... do you have any bigger eggs. I'm certain hotels and the likes wouldn't skimp on egg sizes like I do lolz
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 3 Feb - 18:39

No I would have to buy them as we have Bantam eggs, currently most are clucky or have chicks...but I do think these are egg cups. Cool 
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Feb - 19:01

I just went into the studio to compare the stacking part with the others and it is comparable to the 6611 stacking jug, so I'm going to have no doubts now and agree with you completely Kat, so 3625 Stacking Hotel Egg Cups they are Very Happy
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 3 Feb - 22:51

Ev,
I think that is a 6610 jug behind the cups that aren't stacking cups.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/crown-lynn/other/photos/a-692938432/p-258206317.htm
And is that a small stacking sugar bowl, top left:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/kitchen/cups-glasses/mugs/photos/a-692860595/p-298870006.htm
(my broadband is still out.)
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Post  Ev on Tue 4 Feb - 18:06

Sorry Kat I've gone full circle and think the little pots are for mustard after seeing this boxed set that Thelma put on the site ..... Condiment Set - and it looks like it consists of salt, pepper, gravy and mustard ...?
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1553-unknown-glaze-this-is-actually-greenstone?highlight=greenstone
So we are now looking for a vitrified mustard pot shape number now .......
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Post  Kat & Co. on Wed 5 Feb - 9:26

After thinking about this over night I think it could be both, mustard or egg cup..
the boxed picture shows no lid, usually mustards come with a lid don't they?
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Post  fi on Fri 14 Feb - 23:55

There is definitely a little pot with lid, I can remember having them several years back. A restaurant or café had closed down and I got about 6 covered pots and 7 sets of salt and pepp + the little cream jugs. All were the Pioneer glaze. Seem to think the pots were somewhat bigger than salt and pepp but could be wrong... wish I could find an old photo... I may have a play round on google images and see of my old photo pops up Laughing 
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Post  Ev on Fri 28 Feb - 19:34

I'm hoping that fi will pop in to identify this little pot that has a lid .... it looks very much like my one ...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=701536968
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Post  fi on Fri 28 Feb - 23:31

Hello hello.....
checked it out.... and no, doesn't look familiar. I am sure the lid had a knob. I think the base part was more rounded too... The second I find one online ( pictured) I will email you :-)
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