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Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Kat & Co. on Tue 4 Feb - 14:46

I cannot find the other Pen Pot topic but this is another from Jim's collection, and a matching shape in Dalwood? pattern.  11cmh x 7cmd no markings.. we assume this shape is CL too. Cool 
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... or Pen Pot

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 4 Feb - 15:20

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3283-a-crown-lynn-bathroom-tumbler-or#10492
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Thu 6 Mar - 8:24

I found this shape with a Youngset transfer on it yesterday.
My goodness it so 'feels' like Crown lynn, but why would they have fired it on stilts?
The base is flat and has no footring and is glazed all over, but the three stilt marks show up. I thought they fired only flatware on stilts? So confusing! There are two Pen Pot descriptions in the Crown Lynn records which I will try and find later to see if we can shed any light on these little pots!
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Thu 6 Mar - 8:36

Found one of the records already:

1386 - Tall Pen Pot [Classique] first made around 1983
Now what does a Classique Pen Pot look like ..... arghhhhhh

These are from the Decoration Advices and don't help really either -

Pen Holder SB d079 made in the late 1970's

Ball Point Pen Container d308 which would have been made around 1970 as the Expo 70 ware is on the same page.
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Various numbers and links

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 6 Mar - 13:55

Ev, I think you also noted 1074 as a pen pot, but I've lost the location of that mention already.

You have also noted Ballpoint Pen Container d308.

Other pen pot topics at:

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3283-a-crown-lynn-bathroom-tumbler-or#10492

and the Bic one:

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2603-bic-pen-holders#7743
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Thu 6 Mar - 14:23

Thanks,

1074 - Ball Point Pen jar first made 11.12.64

None of the descriptions help us in any way!

Kat that one with stripes isn't Dalwood, not sure what it is.
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 6 Mar - 15:28

Could 1074 work for the one with the straight sides:
mumof1's bathroom tumbler and Jim's pen pot?

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3283-a-crown-lynn-bathroom-tumbler-or#10492

The impressed New Zealand mark is good for 1964.

Re "Classique" 1386:
All the Classique items in the gallery have a distinctive shape which is different from the pots in this topic.

It may be that it isn't a pen pot shape, that the transfer was a leftover applied to the shape, and the not-Dalwood was the original item in this shape. I have seen both of Jim's pots in this topic and they are quite tall and narrow for pens.

The one in mumof1's topic seems more appropriate and the Bic one kind of minimal.

Oh, re pattern not-Dalwood: Hacienda COLOURS but spaced apart.
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Thu 6 Mar - 16:25

I've some across the term "Classique Shape" for the shapes of Pioneer d17400,
Spring Fair d4700, Homestyle d74600, Jasmine Flower d52500 and Duet d57600.
These are all new shapes starting from around 1982.
Just adding in case it helps with your reasoning Jeremy ......
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 6 Mar - 16:49

OK, Ev.
I've just got the pics in the gallery with Classique written under them to go by.
1358, 1360, 1362-3, 1364 and 1370.
They have a consistent design theme. Concave base and concave upper portion meeting at a low waist. I would maybe expect a 1386 Classique to do so too.

I don't know all those "d" numbers.
Are you saying the others that you mention do not follow that theme?
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Post  Ev on Thu 6 Mar - 17:44

1385 is a Tall Coffee Mug [Classique] though we don't have this yet.
I do like the way that you are thinking and as the 1386 Tall Pen Pot is in this bracket of shapes it could well be the one!
Val Monk's latest book says that Youngset is from the late 1970's ..... so that fits.

Here is my 'Pen Pot' and I love it  I love you 



Here are the very unusual stilt marks ...
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Post  JanPots on Fri 7 Mar - 10:40

From I can make out D numbers are purely decoration numbers - even the ones with no actual pattern have D numbers.
If that makes sense
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 7 Mar - 11:16

Thanks Jan,

If that's the case, then it appears we have two pen pots and two shape numbers, 

however the d numbers don't NECESSARILY correlate with those so maybe there is a third, or even a fourth pen container.

Summarising notes from above in chronological order:

1074 - Ball Point Pen jar first made 11.12.64

"Ball Point Pen Container d308 ... would have been made around 1970 as the Expo 70 ware is on the same page."

The pattern on Ev's one is "from the late 70s"

"Pen Holder SB d079 [is] made in the late 1970's"

"1386 - Tall Pen Pot [Classique] first made around 1983"


I know Crown Lynn had stocks of transfers so a transfer can pre-date a shape or a shape can be decorated with a later transfer but I can't reconcile Ev's pot with the Classique shapes that I see in the gallery at this point.


Need more information!
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Fri 7 Mar - 13:09

Yes Janice you are correct as even glazes have d numbers.
yes Jeremy, we need some more definite info to come to hand and hopefully it will turn up.
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  haselnuss on Sat 8 Mar - 15:42

Hello, I have got a 1386 Crown Lynn New Zealand green stamp marked on the base pen pot from the Environmental Design Award. It looks like Ev's on the base just with a stamp.
I also have to "find" a smaller but wider Pen Pot that I have stored in the garage. As usual, I'll get my husband to take a picture as soon as.
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Sat 8 Mar - 18:39

Fantastic haselnuss !!
Looking forward to photos  Cool 
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Post  haselnuss on Sat 8 Mar - 21:04

Photos

The white pot has a lip at the top rim. The pen pot hasn't.
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Ev on Sun 9 Mar - 9:19

How fantastic to see the Crown Lynn Backstamp!
Thank you haselnuss and hubby for taking such great photos Smile
Now we just have to work out which number it is ...............................
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Post  Ev on Sun 9 Mar - 11:26

Google turned up two hits for AHI Fibreglass Environmental Design Award, one is from 1981 and the other is from 1986, so I'm really leaning towards the 1386 shape for this pen pot!

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=SEE_ALSO&QF0=Descriptors&QI0==%22A.H.I.+Fibreglass+Enviromental+Design+Award%22&XC=/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll&BU=&TN=LocHAM&SN=AUTO8407&SE=1427&RN=0&MR=0&TR=0&TX=1000&ES=0&CS=1&XP=&RF=Displayweb&EF=&DF=&RL=0&EL=0&DL=0&NP=2&ID=&MF=WPEngMsg.ini&MQ=&TI=0&DT=&ST=0&IR=16393&NR=0&NB=0&SV=0&SS=0&BG=&FG=&QS=&OEX=ISO-8859-1&OEH=ISO-8859-1

Just click it Jeremy, as I'm afraid to shorten this one!
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Post  Ev on Thu 20 Mar - 18:39

ARgggghhhhhhh I found this Pen Pot shape in the drawings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a 1074.  How embarrassing that it was here all of the time and I couldn't see it for looking! Embarassed
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This is not a spice jar!

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 31 Mar - 10:30

1074. A happy $1 purchase. Bit plain maybe.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Fri 2 May - 14:34

I found one in Blue, Cool  the bottom is glazed.. arent these strange bright colours for CL.? The blue maybe hand painted.
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Re: Pen pot & Hacienda? shape

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 2 May - 15:30

Kat,

It looks very tall.

Is it the same shape?
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Post  Kat & Co. on Fri 2 May - 20:18

Yes pretty sure its the same as all above.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 2 May - 22:37

Yeah, I turned the picture round and compared to Ev's and it does look the same.

Looks skinny or long sideways though.

I checked again. It changes proportion when I copy it.
Somehow it's compressing on my forum page.

?????

What a pity you've moved on from blue!
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