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Post  Maryr on Wed 2 Apr - 13:11

This looks like the 250 gram honey pot.  Now all we need to do is find the lid for this one, and the 500 gram honey pot.  This pot is 8.5 cm high, width at base is 8.25 cm.  I have left these pics quite big because the hard shiny white glaze is a bit tricky to photograph. The text on the base says (so far as I can ascertain)
EDWARD & SINCLAIR
PO BOX 1937
AUCKLAND
NEW ZEALAND

It looks like the italicised Titian Potteries below the number.

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Post  Ev on Wed 2 Apr - 13:40

Great stuff Queenie  queen 
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Post  Maryr on Wed 2 Apr - 15:38

Thanks princess!
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 5 May - 16:56

We recon its Titian Container under the number..I found one today too
its the same size, I think this is the 500gm. Honey is quite heavy. cat 
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Post  Ev on Mon 5 May - 17:48

Are you saying that this is a 1375 - 500gm Honey Pot Kat?
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Post  Maryr on Mon 5 May - 18:57

Geo and I have both studied the number on our jar. We are 99 percent sure it's a 1376. The number is clearer in real life than in my pic.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 5 May - 19:42

Mine looks like a six too, but put 250gms honey in it & it would be half empty.
Im just wondering bout that Rolling Eyes 
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Post  Maryr on Mon 5 May - 19:49

Yes I weighed some honey and wondered the same thing.
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Post  Ev on Mon 19 Jan - 17:16

Well today I was lucky enough to find a 700gm Honey Pot.
Does it have a lid?  Yes.  Does it still have it's waxed seal?  Yes.
This one is 10cm high without the lid and 11cm across the base.
But what number is it? There are no numbers on the base. 
The 1375 - is a 500gm Honey Pot and the 1376 - is a 250gm Honey Pot scratch

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A close up of the label that is fired into the pot ..
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An emblem on top of the lid ...
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The lid has a cork glued inside and the wax seal is on a piece of ribbon that hangs from under the cork...
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I must check the Modellers drawings as I think they may have these Honey Pots.


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Post  Maryr on Mon 19 Jan - 18:21

Wonderful. Well done Ev. Great to see the lid and graphics. I cant dig mine out at present. But it wd be good if we can all compare these sometime.
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Post  Ev on Mon 19 Jan - 18:40

This is the only Modellers drawing that I can find ...

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Post  Ev on Mon 16 Mar - 9:31

This listing looks like the same honey pot doesn't it?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=859401445

Which America's Cup would this have been?
What would the jar have contained?
At 10cms tall it's smaller than the one I have.
It's a bit expensive aeeee?


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 16 Mar - 11:27

This one at Rainbows Relics is a 400 gram. (Photo taken four weeks ago.)
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I'm heading out with a tape measure now!
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 16 Mar - 13:01

Honey 1376
90w x <90h to top of ceramic.

I have some more photos including base but the number (1376) does not show well.
After lunch.
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Post  Ev on Mon 16 Mar - 13:08

We need to clarify these shapes as the records show the 1376 shape to be the 250gm Honey Pot and the 1375 to be the 500gm Honey Pot.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 17 Mar - 16:42

See Portage for what could be the larger one:
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490220/Plaster_model_-_storage_jar

Their measurements are for the plaster model from which the mould would have been made: subtract 10% for final size?
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 4 May - 13:21

Small and large honey jars.
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400 (1376?), left, and 700g (1375?), and additional markings on the respective jars
89mm W, 108mm W

Oops, the lid on the left jar is not pushed all the way down!

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sticker on base of smaller jar

Bonus photo: assorted nuts.
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two large jars (same size)

Note that the weight of mixed nuts is just 250g compared to 700 for honey.

The nuts jar has the same Fletcher marking on the back as the honey one.

There are no Crown Lynn or Titian marks visible on any of these jars.

And ...
... an idle thought:
The fettling of the bases is more in keeping with what I have come to expect from Orzel than Crown Lynn so I was wondering if this shape was used by the Browns before CL took over Titian, and even reused later by Orzel. NB the Crown Lynn pots date from 1983, well after the departure of the Browns from Titian, which is confusing.
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detail from base of large honey, example of footring at its roughest

The glaze on these reminds me of the hard white glaze on the Titian-523-Crown-Lynn-1109 mug, although the colour on all the jars is a colder white than on my own 1109. 1109s:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4914-1109-coffee-cup#18024

(I note, for whatever it is worth, that the 1109 is dated 28.1.71, about the time the Browns left CL.)

Following my Orzel thoughts I have photographed the larger honey jar alongside an Orzel Abbeville jar. Same width, different tops. Definitely related.
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large Orzel "Abbeville" jar, left, and "1375"

Orzel Abbeville:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2478-abbeville-new-zealand#7261
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4943-orzel-abbeville#18165

And later ...
Edward & Sinclair for Americas cup on tm:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Pottery-glass/Porcelain-pottery/Other-NZ-manufacturers/auction-882976529.htm


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Post  Ev on Mon 4 May - 16:08

I looked through the Inventory for the Archives today at the Portage Museum and saw a reference to Edward & Sinclair and wrote it down to check it out, so more may be revealed when I do.
It may take a while to work my way through to that folder as there were 111 pages in the Inventory!!! I've got enough research to do to last my lifetime !!
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Post  Maryr on Tue 16 Feb - 11:05

Here is a another 'honey' jar  this time with kiwifruit chutney.
It holds 400 g chutney - which would be lighter than honey.
It is unmarked, but is the same style of label as the others.
It is 9 cm across the base.
So happy to have found one with a lid!
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 16 Feb - 13:06

Despite the name change from Edward & Sinclair to Brittain Wynyard the graphics are essentially the same for chutney, nuts and honey.

Turning back a page I see it is the same on the black jars too.
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Post  Ev on Sun 2 Sep - 17:11

A chance find of a 1376 Honey Pot for $1 (and as I was rather excited the saleslady said I suppose it is worth gazillions and I replied only to a researcher like me hahaa) tells me that my 400gm Honey Jar is not Crown Lynn so it was a dollar well spent. The clay is white on the small Crown Lynn jar and dark on the 400gm jar and the glaze looks white on the Crown Lynn and a dirty grey on the unidentified stray.

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