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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 16 Apr - 14:10

Val's jug and my mugs: unknown maker: Cindy Ceramics???

The mug is mine, the jug Val's. Neither of us know the maker/s.
The shapes are different but the glazes look the same.
Similar weight and feel too, so it look like they come from the same pottery.
The presence of the two makes us think NZ.
Cindy Ceramics teapot on tm Jugcup10

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27/4/14
Found another shape. Avondale Market Underground Market, 3 remain.
Cindy Ceramics teapot on tm Parker10
88mm H x 65 OD top.


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 27 Apr - 23:46

Val, I've been having a few thoughts about your jug.

1. Looking at the pics I took of your living room cabinet I think I see the same shape among the brown coffee set on the shelf above the blue Royal Oak. I may be wrong but check it out.

2. I picked up the cup below thinking it had shape similarities with the yellow and browns above. I still do. The glaze and possibly the shape also reminded me of our Parker stuff, which I will leave for you to elaborate on when the time is right for you. I have compared the glaze, and while it LOOKS SIMILAR it IS DIFFERENT. But I'm not writing off a connection yet.
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4287-a-totally-random-mug-or-five#14922
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4395-more-unknown-brown-stuff#15368

Cindy Ceramics teapot on tm Parker13
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Although the handle is smaller that on the brown and yellow cup, it is a similar shape and also quite fine.
Both cups have footrings at the outer edge.

You may notice I edited the post above earlier today to add a picture of another brown and yellow mug.
That one has no foot ring.

I welcome you thoughts.


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Post  Maryr on Mon 28 Apr - 12:39

Jeremy, the matt glaze on your new mug looks very like my Parker examples, but once again it's difficult to be certain unless we see them side by side.  
Re the dark brown jug in my cabinet; well spotted, it is very similar to the 'unknown' one, but not totally the same. It has a proper foot ring, and its spout is slightly different. And the dark brown jug is in a terracotta-looking body while the other is white. They could be from the same maker, but no guarantees. I will post pics when I have time.  More puzzles...
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 28 Apr - 14:02

Val, you know I have a few, and I have compared my odd cup with those. So similar but different. I've done my best to compare with my photo of your Parker shelf too.

The glaze on the brown and yellows is so distinctive and as more shapes turn up the likelihood of it being NZ increases. Pity we don't have a shape match for any of them in a different glaze.

You can take any of them home to compare if you are over my way. I'm gathering stuff together for you to add to the "museum".


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Post  Maryr on Sat 10 May - 7:01

I have found another couple of examples of the ware which Jeremy began this post with: The jug I have had for some time, but the lidded pot is new.
Cindy Ceramics teapot on tm X_unkn12
But wait.. there's more.  Here is an identical lidded pot, bought at the same time as the yellow/brown one, in a very different glaze.
Cindy Ceramics teapot on tm X_unkn13
And here is my jug alongside a dark brown jug which Jeremy suggested might be a match. As you can see, very similar shape, very different materials.. Hmmm I put these pics on the site in case someone recognises them and can help with identification.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 10 May - 14:05

Fun! The jugs are so similar yet so different.

The glaze on the second sugar pot reminds me of "Traditional NZ" but everything else says not Beach etc.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 19 May - 15:26

This container differs from Val's one above.
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14cm H x 11 OD base x 8.5 ID top.
As per photo, it has a foot ring.
Made for a cork top I think.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 8 Jun - 10:52

I got this creamer and sugar bowl from Judi at Tikipunga this morning.
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Looking through this topic I started to think, with all the Benhar posted lately, that Val's canisters had that same chunkiness about them then I noticed my 1349!
Cindy Ceramics teapot on tm Creame11
So, in the photos the proportions of creamer to canister look different but that yellow and brown is, if not the same size and proportion, at least the same shape as the 1349.

Val, I guess you have a 1349: can you compare these please?

I just noticed Val's creamers are different, with the footring one being shorter. Mine is the footring one, so the height difference in my comparative photo is effectively lessened, bringing the 1349 closer to the height of Val's lidded canister.


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Post  Maryr on Sun 8 Jun - 11:27

Good morning Jeremy. I don't have a 1349 but I am as certain as one can be that this unknown ware is not Crown Lynn - or hobby ceramics derived from CL for that matter. Importantly the unknown has that flat dry base which Tom Clark so abhorred. Your new sugar pot certainly looks the same as the other unknown items; One day someone will put their hand up and say "I made that" - I hope!
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 8 Jun - 12:31

Val, I certainly wasn't suggesting that this stuff was Crown  Lynn,, just that the similarity in shape appears to me to be beyond coincidence.

Dimensions for the 1349 are OD at widest 102mm and height to lip 103.
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Post  Maryr on Sun 8 Jun - 13:37

Hi again Jeremy. My jar is H 11.5 including lid and 8.5 across base and 7.5 across top. Height to lip 9.5.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 8 Jun - 14:00

Those measurements look right for the pictures, so the sizes are definitely different.

Distinctive shape: same modeller maybe ... or a copy?

1349 is dated 1981. I can't see the yellow and brown being much later than that.

The Taiwan sticker on the little "inkpots" threw me: Are you still thinking NZ, Val?
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Post  Maryr on Mon 9 Jun - 8:34

I do feel that these unknown are probably NZ because there's quite a bit around - gut feeling says maybe Kermiko but that is just a semi-educated guess so don't quote me!
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 28 Jun - 13:32

Val, I had a chat with Judi Jarman at the Red Cross today.
If you don't know her then you may recall she was the lady who brought along a Titian moon jug to Antiques Club last year. I met her when I was picking up a bit of Orzel I bought from her on trademe.

I bought the yellow and brown creamer and sugar above from Judi at Tiki market. Today she told me that they were the last pieces of a set her mother bought (I think that was the story) that originally had a tall coffee pot and six two finger mugs, long since gone to an op shop.

Anyway, I wondered if this further description might stir any thoughts. At the least it tells us of two other shapes in this signature glaze.

Judi assumed made in NZ.


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 21 Jul - 15:05

I got a complete coffee set from the Family Store today. The milk and sugar match those posted above. The mug (only one of six shown) looks like a new shape.
There is crazing on the pot and some variation in glaze colour across the set.
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Post  Maryr on Mon 21 Jul - 15:27

Yeehah Jeremy your coffee pot and mugs look the same as the unknown dark set that I keep in the cabinet in the lounge. My set also came from whangarei sallies. I am away from home for a couple of weeks shortly, when I get back we should have a catch up. Still uncertain who made this stuff. My dark set has a quite dark brown clay body.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 22 Jul - 0:57

I think so too.
The plot thickens ... and deepens.

We have a number of mug shapes, a number of canister shapes, a number of glazes, and complete coffee sets with two different bodies. It's adding up.

Judi Jarman said her mother's set had two-finger mugs (which I'd love to have), and on further examination I see that the sugar bowl lid from Judi has a spoon cutout but the one from the new set doesn't.

One more thing: the coffee set pieces all have well-formed foot rings and glazed bottoms.

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See also Cindy Ceramics:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2734p15-re-cindy-ceramics-mug-for-the-gallery#21687
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7/1/15
There is a Ciny canister on tm, sold as Cindy Ceramics.
Seller does not mention a base mark but I presume the info comes from the base rather than the forum.
I think so too.
The plot thickens ... and deepens.

We have a number of mug shapes, a number of canister shapes, a number of glazes, and complete coffee sets with two different bodies. It's adding up.

Judi Jarman said her mother's set had two-finger mugs (which I'd love to have), and on further examination I see that the sugar bowl lid from Judi has a spoon cutout but the one from the new set doesn't.

One more thing: the coffee set pieces all have well-formed foot rings and glazed bottoms.

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10/10/14
See also Cindy Ceramics:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2734p15-re-cindy-ceramics-mug-for-the-gallery#21687
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7/1/15
There is a Ciny canister on tm, sold as Cindy Ceramics.
Seller does not mention a base mark but I presume the info comes from the base rather than the forum.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/auction-829776934.htm
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 5 Feb - 17:52

There is a large set of Cindy Ceramics shapes for sale on tm including a teapot.

I have got used to most of these shapes now and see them regularly in the opshops, but I have not seen the teapot before, or let's say known that it was a Cindy shape.

www.trademe.co.nz/home-living/kitchen/tea-coffee-making/tea-sets/auction-1028730861.htm

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That's a Cindy Ceramics mug I thought Friday morning at the Sallies.
I photographed it later as the day was dimming.

Although we have yet to achieve unaninimity on whether all this stuff is actually Cindy Ceramics I am satisfied.

The mug shape appears in the yellow and brown glaze at the start of the topic here:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5000-cindy-ceramics-teapot-on-tm#18479

The same glaze can be seen on Val's storage jar here:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5000-cindy-ceramics-teapot-on-tm#19061

I still see the recognisable brown and yellow and brown stuff around a bit. There has been a full Cindy coffee set at Habitat for some time now. There is some damage at the base of the handle on this mug but this is an odd rare piece so I bought it.
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