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Post  Ev on Thu 20 Nov - 7:35

At the moment I'm highlighting the patterns in the Database in red that we have a photo of in the Patterns Gallery.  In doing this I am finding patterns that we have, but they are not in the Gallery e.g. the Advertising Crown d971 and the Bacardi Jug d544.  This will be a slow process and cross referencing will show up any anomalies.

I will put any questions arising into this topic.  Janice I will need your help please.

There is a pattern Ascot with the number 9 in the records and I was wondering if it was this Ascot vitrified pattern that is in the Gallery that we don't have a number for it yet.
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/gallery/Crown-Lynn-Tableware-Patterns/A-B/ascot-crown-lynn-pic_2438.htm

This cup has an Olive Green glaze, but what is the number?
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5521-green-thin-stripe-band-saucer-and-green-mug-for-chelsea-green?highlight=chelsea

We have Tango Blue vitrified 945, but we don't have Blue Tango pat.no.423 in the Gallery which I assume must be earthenware ...... help.
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Blue Tango 423

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 20 Nov - 12:44

Ev,

both the handpainted and transfer pattern Blue Tango Cook & Serve coffee cans are "pat no 423", the former green stamp and the latter black, and both are called Blue Tango.

Most my Blue Tango is simply marked Cook & Serve, without pattern numbers.

The newspaper clipping launching the THC Blue Tango range includes pepper and salt shakers and sugar/mustard pot that are different from the Cook & Serve ones: I referred to this in the topic with the clipping.

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5643-found-a-1966-article-on-light-weight-vitrified-ware#21542

I'm not aware of any Blue Tango earthenware.
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Post  Ev on Thu 20 Nov - 13:06

The records have Blue Tango 423 and Tango Blue 945.  I seem to recall having a reference to these, but will need help from Janice to work them out.  There is also a Tango Blue colourglaze colour d00060.


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 20 Nov - 13:25

I wrote somewhere else (forget where) about variations in Tango Blue, so there may be distinctly different Tango Blues, or perhaps different numbers for  vit and E/W.

My "Dishwasher Safe" (E/W) B&Bs are d00060.

I have a Roydon South Pacific B&B which is very similar to Tango Blue but is pat no 379.

Maybe TB vit is 945?

See also:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t927p15-tango-blue-by-crown-lynn#22220


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Post  JanPots on Thu 20 Nov - 19:14

Ev... oh my!! big task ... yes, I will help .. but will have to look at it tomorrow.. I am bit tired from my day at BOP (op shopping!!) Razz Razz
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 20 Nov - 20:48

You poor thing Janice. I hope it was worthwhile. If I was heading north from yours I'd probably want to include Thames/Paeroa/Waihi but perhaps that's a whole different trip. My recent postings are from my all too short Far North circle, which has become very infrequent. As I left Okaihau on Tuesday I pondered driving to Kaitaia but that would have added two hours just in the driving. One day! Nicole flies there every month to take a clinic and was there today. It's the mysterious a North for me.
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Post  JanPots on Fri 21 Nov - 16:12

Ev wrote:There is a pattern Ascot with the number 9 in the records and I was wondering if it was this Ascot vitrified pattern that is in the Gallery that we don't have a number for it yet

I have found Ascot 161 - from the Deco book
These are all together Vit- ones
160 mayfair
161 Ascot
162 Galaxy grey
164 avondale
165 Trentham


The is a olive green 00058 is it a different shade of green to that one? Its hard to tell from photos......
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/gallery/Crown-Lynn-Tableware-Patterns/C-D/colour-glaze-d00058-Olive-Green-pic_2446.htm
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Post  JanPots on Fri 21 Nov - 16:28

Bumps.. Jeremy - Not very exciting !! I got a few bits but nothing worth taking photos of.
Although I got a very old Jug more than likely to be one of the 700's and a old Gravy boat same era .. ( need to identify them)
Lunch was nice though!!
The "deal of the day was a 50 cent saucer" the old Paris looking ones with the circular "Made in NZ back-stamp" And a 130 vase for $4 - Someone had to buy it Razz Razz
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 21 Nov - 17:53

Janice,
I'm always interested in seeing the Ambrico Paris. Some of the cup/saucer matches I have seen are a bit odd and I wonder whether they made separate stocks of each. There are lots of saucers with very large wells around and a paucity of cups that fit neatly in them. Could you photo and measure and pop on one of the Paris links when you get the time. I have yet to lost my fourth Ambrico Paris cup shape, the one with the block handle. You have reminded me.
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Post  Ev on Fri 21 Nov - 18:02

\"JanPots wrote: These are all together Vit- ones
160 mayfair
161 Ascot
162 Galaxy grey
164 avondale
165 Trentham


Database has:
Ascot 9
Ascot 446
Ascot Cake Plates 800
Ascot Maroon 161
and also Ascot 462 which is a pattern in the Gallery already.

We have a Galaxy in the Gallery without a number ..... also
Database has:
Galaxy 122
Galaxy 162
Galaxy 749 this is in the Gallery
Galaxy [J10]
Galaxy [36 Pce exclusive]

I would go with the Galaxy Grey 162 that you have and the Ascot Maroon 161 as they are similar patterns aren't they?  Please let me know if you agree Janice.

Database says that Trentham 165 was also used by Intercontinental Hotels.

OMG I have a new computer desk and it is just so fantastic to have both lappies side by side so that I can check out the Database while on the other lappy cheers  
Plus there is plenty of shelving for all of the resources that I need close by Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  JanPots on Fri 21 Nov - 19:57

ev wrote:
I would go with the Galaxy Grey 162 that you have and the Ascot Maroon 161 as they are similar patterns aren't they?  Please let me know if you agree Janice.

I would say that makes sense..

The Tango blue coffee can, Maryr suggested 423 could be the hand painted version. I wonder what is on the base of the one that is not hand painted?  I can't get to mine as all my cups are packed away. Sad Jeremy might be able to help ( & yes I will measure the paris saucer & post)

Ev... Your desk sounds impressive!!
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Post  Ev on Fri 21 Nov - 20:04

Jeremy Ashford wrote:Ev,

both the handpainted and transfer pattern Blue Tango Cook & Serve coffee cans are "pat no 423", the former green stamp and the latter black, and both are called Blue Tango.

Most my Blue Tango is simply marked Cook & Serve, without pattern numbers.

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Jeremy has already answered your question Janice. I'm more than happy to know that Narvik also has two numbers, one for Cook & Serve and another which we have to check out. I know there are different colours for Narvik too and we only have one not too good example in the Gallery.
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Narvik

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 22 Nov - 1:57

Ev, there has been discussion on the Narvik pattern numbers:

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5366-narvik-green-is-pat-no-790-looking-for-numbers-for-other-colours#20178

(I have mislaid Janice's reference to Narvik so I haven't checked the numbers.)
(Eds: found them in the Tango Blue topic and they match.)
( http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t927p30-tango-blue-by-crown-lynn#22240 )

You may be right that the different pattern numbers refer to E/W vs vit rather than the base colour. I have noticed, and noted, that the Narvik green coffee pot (vit) is a different colour from my Narvik green sugar bowl (E/W). The backstamp on the coffee pot reads Narvik Green rather than just Narvik: that may be a spanner.

There is a picture of the Narvik 790 coffee pot (and its back stamp) here:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4113-cook-serve-coffee-pots-shape-876#14135

I see it is in the gallery too.
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Sunburst pat no 495: any other numbers?

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 22 Nov - 10:25

Sunburst is another pattern that appears on both Cook & Serve and earthenware.
Although the presence of two variations on E/W may cloud things, a second number, if there is one, may indicate the Cook & Serve pattern.

I have examples of both.

Sunburst 495 E/W, two variations, same number:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1939-sunburst-d495#5502

Sunburst Cook & Serve:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4113-cook-serve-coffee-pots-shape-876

Same on Val's blog:
http://valputaruru.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/coffee-cans-mid-century-at-its-best.html

And another on tm:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Pottery-glass/Porcelain-pottery/Crown-Lynn/Other/auction-811299616.htm

FLEURETTE
Fleurette also appears as earthenware and Cook & Serve but as far as I know never has numbers on its stamps. There may be two numbers for Fleurette too.
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Post  JanPots on Sat 22 Nov - 10:47

Ev.. do you think we should have a new thread of "Pattern numbers" E/W Versus \Cook N serve? So that other people can add to it?
Fashion Rose, Pacific Blue Green Bamboo etc..
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Post  Ev on Sat 22 Nov - 12:08

Yes please to a new topic Janice. No need to ask if you think there is a need for something please do it. Cheers.
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Moving on the the C's and D's

Post  Ev on Sun 23 Nov - 8:34

Calypso British in the Gallery doesn't have a number, but in the Database there are two Calypso ..... 253 and 737.  This is a very old 1950's to 1960's pattern.  Any ideas please Janice?

I will put the Chelsea green cup into the gallery as the Colour Glaze Olive Green d00058 as I had put what I thought was Olive Green into the Gallery.  There is still Antique Green to identify.

We have Clematis pat.no.141 in the Gallery and in the Database there is Clematis Oyster 214 ..... any ideas?

Colonial Brown doesn't have a number in the gallery.  Database has Colonial Brown d444 ..... could this be one and the same?

We don't have Colonial Gold 442 in the Gallery ....?  It's in the database.  I thought we found this in the Ozzie adverts ...?

Need to put Ceramica Greenstone 494 into the Gallery...

We have Cornwall in the gallery without a number and the database has Cornwall 185 .... is this the same pattern?

There is a Crown Lynn Ashtray pattern 784 ..... do we have this somewhere?

Also a Crown Lynn Stand pattern 37 ..... ???

Disney pattern 807 ..... I'm sure we have this somewhere ...???  Could it be one of these .... http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2984-two-mugs-walt-disney-and-around-the-bays?highlight=disney  
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1908-walt-disney-eggcups?highlight=disney


Dominion Breweries Ashtray shape 1045 is pattern 517 ..... we have a drawing of the shape but need to see this pattern as there are 3 Dominion Breweries patterns and we haven't identified any yet !!!

That's all for the C's and D's Very Happy


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South Pacific d379, Capri, DB

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 23 Nov - 10:41

I mentioned above or in the Tango-Blue/Blue-Tango topic that I have a B&B in a blue just slightly paler than Tango Blue that is marked South Pacific d379.

After checking out progress on the colour glaze patterns in the gallery (which is progressing brilliantly) I checked out South Pacific to see a plate in what APPEARS to be a standard teal colour.

Supposing the colour reproduction in the gallery photo is accurate, and that the plate shown IS a different colour from my own, would that indicate that d379 covers a range of colours?

Have any other deco numbers turned up for South Pacific tableware?

Other patterns such as Capri also appear in a range of colours and Capri has no photo in the gallery: are Capri colours covered by the colour glaze numbers?

Re DB pattern 517: My guess is that the date of the 1045 (31/7/68) should indicate which DB pattern is referred to in the description. I'd pick the one on the Cook & Serve shaped teapots and water jugs, 1616 thru 1619: these are dated 11/11/67. If no further pattern numbers appear then maybe as the pattern changed the same number was recycled.


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Post  Ev on Sun 23 Nov - 10:52

It appears that the South Pacific 379 comes in a range of colours Jeremy, so your assumption was correct. There may be a list of all of the colours somewhere and maybe Janice can help with that.
I haven't come across a pattern number for Capri yet Jeremy.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 23 Nov - 10:56

Bumps for edit above about DB.
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Post  Ev on Sun 23 Nov - 11:04

Good thinking Jeremy.
The other Dominion Breweries pattern numbers are 509 and 799 and I would have to go through the Deco Advices to get a time frame for them. Actually I will have to check before I go ahead with your thoughts, just for confirmation. Janice may be able to help here too Smile
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E,F,G,H

Post  Ev on Sun 23 Nov - 16:25

Questions arising from the E,F,G,H Gallery versus the Database....

Do we have Ferrostone 235 .... it rings bells, but isn't in the Gallery

Gold Bouquet 946 in the Database ... is this Golden Bouquet in the Gallery?

Honey Glaze d430 in the Database .... would this be the glaze that we all know?

We have two different Horizon 433's in the Gallery and only one in the Database ..?

We Have two different Honeystone 840's in the Gallery and one in the Database .?

Hospital Vitrified Colour Glaze 305 ...... this could be the vitrified Teal couldn't it?/?

Humpty Dumpty 964 isn't in the Gallery ... could it possibly be this pattern..
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1023-nursery-rhymes-by-kelston-of-new-zealand-d988?highlight=humpty#9853 .... go half way down the page.

That's all for that Gallery Very Happy


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I,J,K,L Gallery

Post  Ev on Sun 23 Nov - 16:53

Just Kids d84400, has anyone got this pattern?  

Kelstone 415 is in the Database, but it's not in the Gallery.  This name rings bells ..?

There is a Laura pattern in the Gallery without a number.  The Database has Laura 855, is there any chance that these could be the same pattern??

There are two Lucerne patterns in the Gallery that don't have numbers.  The Database has Lucerne 418 and Lucerne 424 ..... help!

There are two Lynfields pat.no 931 in the Gallery and only one in the Database .... help required Smile

That's it .. for now ....


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Humpty Dumpty

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 23 Nov - 17:29

I have a pudding bowl (coupe) with tumbling Humpty in the centre and 6 smaller transfers around the edge, seated Humpty, Mary and Lamb (or black sheep), black sheep, bunch of flowers, little boy blue, and possible Miss Muffet.

This has no backstamp.
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Post  Ev on Sun 23 Nov - 18:05

Yes that's the pattern that I'm thinking of as it's the only Humpty Dumpty that I've seen.  Janice can you take a look please .....  heheee Janice has lots to look at and we are only half way through the galleries Laughing
Though I haven't stopped yet, but won't post until the next gallery is finished.
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