Working on the Crown Lynn Patterns Database

Yes please to a new topic Janice. No need to ask if you think there is a need for something please do it. Cheers.

Calypso British in the Gallery doesn't have a number, but in the Database there are two Calypso ..... 253 and 737.  This is a very old 1950's to 1960's pattern.  Any ideas please Janice?

I will put the Chelsea green cup into the gallery as the Colour Glaze Olive Green d00058 as I had put what I thought was Olive Green into the Gallery.  There is still Antique Green to identify.

We have Clematis pat.no.141 in the Gallery and in the Database there is Clematis Oyster 214 ..... any ideas?

Colonial Brown doesn't have a number in the gallery.  Database has Colonial Brown d444 ..... could this be one and the same?

We don't have Colonial Gold 442 in the Gallery ....?  It's in the database.  I thought we found this in the Ozzie adverts ...?

Need to put Ceramica Greenstone 494 into the Gallery...

We have Cornwall in the gallery without a number and the database has Cornwall 185 .... is this the same pattern?

There is a Crown Lynn Ashtray pattern 784 ..... do we have this somewhere?

Also a Crown Lynn Stand pattern 37 ..... ???

Disney pattern 807 ..... I'm sure we have this somewhere ...???  Could it be one of these .... https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2984-two-mugs-walt-disney-and-around-the-bays?highlight=disney  
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1908-walt-disney-eggcups?highlight=disney

Dominion Breweries Ashtray shape 1045 is pattern 517 ..... we have a drawing of the shape but need to see this pattern as there are 3 Dominion Breweries patterns and we haven't identified any yet !!!

That's all for the C's and D's

I mentioned above or in the Tango-Blue/Blue-Tango topic that I have a B&B in a blue just slightly paler than Tango Blue that is marked South Pacific d379.

After checking out progress on the colour glaze patterns in the gallery (which is progressing brilliantly) I checked out South Pacific to see a plate in what APPEARS to be a standard teal colour.

Supposing the colour reproduction in the gallery photo is accurate, and that the plate shown IS a different colour from my own, would that indicate that d379 covers a range of colours?

Have any other deco numbers turned up for South Pacific tableware?

Other patterns such as Capri also appear in a range of colours and Capri has no photo in the gallery: are Capri colours covered by the colour glaze numbers?

Re DB pattern 517: My guess is that the date of the 1045 (31/7/68) should indicate which DB pattern is referred to in the description. I'd pick the one on the Cook & Serve shaped teapots and water jugs, 1616 thru 1619: these are dated 11/11/67. If no further pattern numbers appear then maybe as the pattern changed the same number was recycled.

It appears that the South Pacific 379 comes in a range of colours Jeremy, so your assumption was correct. There may be a list of all of the colours somewhere and maybe Janice can help with that.
I haven't come across a pattern number for Capri yet Jeremy.

Bumps for edit above about DB.

Good thinking Jeremy.
The other Dominion Breweries pattern numbers are 509 and 799 and I would have to go through the Deco Advices to get a time frame for them. Actually I will have to check before I go ahead with your thoughts, just for confirmation. Janice may be able to help here too

Questions arising from the E,F,G,H Gallery versus the Database....

Do we have Ferrostone 235 .... it rings bells, but isn't in the Gallery

Gold Bouquet 946 in the Database ... is this Golden Bouquet in the Gallery?

Honey Glaze d430 in the Database .... would this be the glaze that we all know?

We have two different Horizon 433's in the Gallery and only one in the Database ..?

We Have two different Honeystone 840's in the Gallery and one in the Database .?

Hospital Vitrified Colour Glaze 305 ...... this could be the vitrified Teal couldn't it?/?

Humpty Dumpty 964 isn't in the Gallery ... could it possibly be this pattern..
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1023-nursery-rhymes-by-kelston-of-new-zealand-d988?highlight=humpty#9853 .... go half way down the page.

That's all for that Gallery

Just Kids d84400, has anyone got this pattern?  

Kelstone 415 is in the Database, but it's not in the Gallery.  This name rings bells ..?

There is a Laura pattern in the Gallery without a number.  The Database has Laura 855, is there any chance that these could be the same pattern??

There are two Lucerne patterns in the Gallery that don't have numbers.  The Database has Lucerne 418 and Lucerne 424 ..... help!

There are two Lynfields pat.no 931 in the Gallery and only one in the Database .... help required

That's it .. for now ....

I have a pudding bowl (coupe) with tumbling Humpty in the centre and 6 smaller transfers around the edge, seated Humpty, Mary and Lamb (or black sheep), black sheep, bunch of flowers, little boy blue, and possible Miss Muffet.

This has no backstamp.

Yes that's the pattern that I'm thinking of as it's the only Humpty Dumpty that I've seen.  Janice can you take a look please .....  heheee Janice has lots to look at and we are only half way through the galleries
Though I haven't stopped yet, but won't post until the next gallery is finished.

Ev wrote:Hospital Vitrified Colour Glaze 305 ...... this could be the vitrified Teal couldn't it?/?

I would say that Teal appears to be the most common plain colour for vitrified ware, so that makes sense.

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More Hompty:
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1023-nursery-rhymes-by-kelston-of-new-zealand-d988#3692
It's a much fuller pattern but mrnarna's one has no backstamp showing so I do not know if it is Humpty or another d988 Nursery Rhymes as per its topic.

Between the two photos there are four distinct Humpty images of varying sizes.

vit teal is 270
305 comes up as Caramel Vit (spreadsheet.. which is compiled from museum notes)
459 - brown vitrified

Homestead  Kelston Ceramics D444 comes up on my notes - Is solid brown could be Colonial brown D444 and maybe "Homestead" is the group they belong too like "Avondale" -- Info from TM Traders
On spreadsheet - D444 and D123 both say Homestead

Laura - Museum notes say 855 ( no photos)  - but the 2 I have saved are Laura 858 which is the same image as the gallery one - I have reference to Laura 855 and 858 in a spreadsheet.. which is compiled from museum notes..  So that's strange!

calypso - I have only 253 - Image from TM ( toledo pattern )


Image from Musuem - Number unsure


calypso British - backstamp on various item- different colours

Cornwall 185 - is some thing different again -- looks like
Hedgerow Avondale Selection d428 but on clover
edits:- photo removed

could this be it? No backstamp



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EV wrote:Gold Bouquet 946 in the Database ... is this Golden Bouquet in the Gallery

946 - I have as Ashleigh    -- British Golden Bouquet I don't have a number

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In my notes I have
00037 says Honey also 210 says Honey and 430 HoneyGlaze


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Lynfield- I have this as Lynette D949



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Humpty dumpty looks like the plate - I agree

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J. Yes several colours for the colurglaze plates -- Capri is colourglaze, they changed the name in the late 60's
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Coco  - we need the brown version in the gallery
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Also - more I see in the notes .... I think that
945 and 960 should be "THC Blue" and "THC Maroon"  and Blue Tango 423
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The Narvik on 2 numbers is that a colour difference? Who is it on here has a big collection of Narvik?
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I have checked everything else and draw the same results as you -- so far so good    
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Coco has at least three different colours and the one in the Gallery is one of them.

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Is that Cornwall 185 your pic Janice?  Can we use it in the Gallery?

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I found another Humpty Dumpty pattern so will leave this for now.

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I need to check out those Ozzie adverts to confirm the plain brown Apollo patterns!

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I will add the Disney pattern to the gallery as 807

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The THC is also written a few different ways and I will have to check them out.  I'm thinking that there is a THC pattern with a red line and another with a blue line?  Why do I think this?  Found a listing http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=811919088

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Mc Callum jug 546 is in the Database ....... help?

Moonstone ...... for some reason I thought we had this pattern?

Mug Double Dipped 689 ..... I think this will be Jeremy's mug and I must add it to the Gallery.

Mushroom Vitrified pat.no.13 ..... this will be the plain mushroom that goes with Reflections. Must put it in the Gallery!

NZ Flowers Q1200 I'm sure we have mugs somewhere with NZ Flowers ....?

NZ Railway 289 ...... which is this pattern?

NZ Railway Silverstar ..... hmmm I thought this was in the Gallery, but I can't find it.

Nursery Ware 889 .... I don't think I could find this anywhere????

Olive Oil Q1802 and Popeye Q1800 & Q1801 ... I've seen these, but don't think they are on the site.

Ovenware 505 and 506 ......What are these referring to?????

Ovenware 871 and Mustards 107 ..... arghhhh?????

Pink Clematis 514 ..... betazoid just listed this pattern, but buggered if I can find it now!

So many Plain Whites ..... I need to go through these one at a time !!!

Patio Rose in Gallery doesn't have a number, but database has 810 and 47 ...?

Penpot 992 Pen Holder SB79 Do these mean anything to anyone???

Persello ..... isn't in the gallery, but I thought we had that pattern.....?

The Kiwi Sports mugs I thought I put into the gallery ages ago, but they weren't there when I cross checked, so I've put them in. !!

ev wrote:Is that Cornwall 185 your pic Janice?  Can we use it in the Gallery?

No... I will have to remove it... The BB plate I have I think is Hedgerow

Ev wrote:The THC is also written a few different ways and I will have to check them out.  I'm thinking that there is a THC pattern with a red line and another with a blue line?  Why do I think this?  Found a listing http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=811919088

I have one of those brown lined plates !! with THC on the backstamp.... I am not convinced with your thoughts LOL
edits... look what I found !!! -- take a look at this ! Is that maroon or brown?

Deco might show the Hotel against the deco number..


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MNOP  -- I am no help there  
I agree with 00013 Mushroom vit glaze -
Patio Rose ( british ) is one I have but no number
Pink Clematis -- all photos off TM, I have a pin dish of the flower but not on the fabrique background..
Silver star - I have but which is it?

I have taken the image off

Mug double dipped 689

Ev, I guess you were probably referring to the blue, but remember there are a ton of brown double dips on various cup and mug shapes.

I'll look at more later: it's dinner time.

[quote="Jeremy Ashford"]Mug double dipped 689
Ev, I guess you were probably referring to the blue, but remember there are a ton of brown double dips on various cup and mug shapes.[quote]

Yes there are many different colours, but it's the three colour variations that double dipping give that make me sure that this is one of them.

It's brown.




Could NZ Railway 289 be these?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Automotive-transport/Trains/auction-802505816.htm

NZ Railway 289 ... very possible.

Rather than start a special topic I'm slipping this on in here.
No idea of pattern numbers.

"Just kids"

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Pottery-glass/Porcelain-pottery/Crown-Lynn/Cups-saucers/auction-812678113.htm

This clowns mug on tm differs from the Clown mug in "show us ..."

https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t2158p15-show-us-your-mugs-crown-lynn-of-course#9768

Just Kids has this written on the base
that's a cute clown mug and I will check it out when I get home re the shape.

Also I'm happy that the brown line THC isn't the one we are after.

Yes that is one of the Just Kids Children's Mug Gift Packs and there are 3 designs.  I will save that one to my files.  Thank you!