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Is this the small Orzel Titoki bottle plus matching Salt & Pepper

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Is this the small Orzel Titoki bottle plus matching Salt & Pepper

Post  haselnuss on Tue 2 Dec - 12:34

Are these made by Orzel or Hemara Hemara?

The green screw top bottle (16cm tall) looks very much like the small Ti Toki bottle in the Orzel gallery. But I have never seen a marked Orzel one before. Ev do you know hall tall it should be?

The bottle has 3 stilts dots but is not Hobby Ceramics because of the weight and quality. I have handled heaps of Hobby Ceramics pottery and can tell the difference in most cases.
The Orzel Patu in this auction also has the stilts marks. I spoke with the Trader a couple of years ago and he told me that he was a delivery driver for the Browns who delivered the pottery to the shops just before the pottery closed. He told me that he had to deliver bird baths for the garden all around NZ one Christmas time in a mad rush.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=815268402


The salt & pepper shakers are so big (14cm) and sturdy and the glaze I just amazing.


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Post  Ev on Tue 2 Dec - 14:53

Hemara modelled tiki salt and peppers for Stewart Potteries, but I'm not sur if they are the same. I will have to wait till later to find them.
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Post  haselnuss on Wed 3 Dec - 13:14

I found a couple of the small Ti-Toki bottles on Google. It is a shame that they don't have the measurements.
http://www.ooga-mooga.com/cgi-bin/all/collection.cgi?mode=gallery&user_id=271&rep=yes&tag=&show=80
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 3 Dec - 13:52

Ooga mooga IS a good place to look.

Paipo, a NZ-based collector, has two in his collection (along with his two Parker pieces):

http://www.ooga-mooga.com/cgi-bin/all/collection.cgi?mode=gallery&user_id=271&rep=yes&tag=&show=80

This link should show you his whole collection on one page.
It's a pity there are no sizes there.

I'm surprised there are no measurements on the forum already.

The modelling of the condiment set is very like the Ti-toki, but not identical.

Ooga mooga also has an extensive collection of tiki pepper and salts too but I did not spot yours.

That green glaze looks so Orzel, but then there is the matter of glazed bases to address.
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Post  haselnuss on Wed 3 Dec - 13:53

Here is a brown flat figurine which is similar to the Hemara modelled salt & pepper but I don't know who made it.
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Post  haselnuss on Thu 4 Dec - 15:53

A similar green C/L Maori figure.
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/488424/Figurine_-_Maori_figure
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Post  Ev on Thu 4 Dec - 16:36

That one in your link haselnuss is the same as the Hemara Stewart Pottery one ..... which Hemara verified, so that is one error perhaps?
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Post  haselnuss on Thu 4 Dec - 16:43

The ones Hemara made on your link have a cream line around the base and are described as salt & pepper. The one in the museum is a figurine and Hemara's for Stewart Pottery has different eyes.
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Post  haselnuss on Thu 4 Dec - 17:02

I found the green bottle as a plaster model. It was modelled by Hemara Hemara and is shape number 1437 and a liquor bottle.
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/488755/Plaster_model_-_bottle_vase
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Post  teaandcoffee on Thu 4 Dec - 17:47

Haselnuss - this piece is  more relevant to your brown flat figurine I feel, and may prove it is Crown Lynn! Look at the narrow tongue. I think it is from the same mould.

http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489604/Knob_-_bisque

Update: Second thoughts - Actually I'm not so sure it is but it is very similar and different again from the green piece.

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Post  haselnuss on Thu 4 Dec - 17:53

Teaandcoffee, I don't know. The knob is a lot shorter but I can see the main characteristics of my brown piece on the bisque knob.


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 4 Dec - 18:08

teaandcoffee,
The piece you have linked to is very unusual: it appears to be a female figure.


Eds to say, so does haselnuss' one!


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Post  teaandcoffee on Thu 4 Dec - 18:24

Yes Jeremy, I see what you mean. The question I am tempted to ask is was there a his and hers one of these?

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Post  Ev on Thu 4 Dec - 19:33

That tiki knob goes on the lid of the 1006 Wharetana trinket box. Can't find a good photo of it, but this is from the gallery

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/gallery/Wharetana-Ware/1006-Trinket-Box-Lid-Knob-pic_1287.htm
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Post  teaandcoffee on Thu 4 Dec - 21:21

Thanks Ev, that solves that wee mystery. But the remaining one it that haselnuss' figure is very similar stylistically, leaving open the possibility of some sort of relationship. Jeremy is right that haselnuss' one has the 'paraphernalia' of a female figure but it also has a ta moko suggestive of a male figure, so I guess it was made by a pakeha who was a little confused about what the motifs represented?

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