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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 20 Feb - 14:13

As I have made a point of looking into the various coffee can shapes, 782, 3022, 3023, 3618, 3038 (etc), I'm interested to see how the Modello cup measures up.

Height and outside diameter, and perhaps a comparative photo beside a Cook & Serve coffee can, 3038 or other from the above list would be helpful.

Crown Lynn did recycle shapes. The 782 vit and 3022 e/w use the same mould, the 3023 e/w and 3618 vit use a variation on that mould, the 3038 has the same diameter as 3022 and 3023 but is higher and uses different handles

So, is the Modello cup a completely new design or a further modification?


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Post  Ev on Fri 20 Feb - 18:00

I will try to remember to take comparison pics when I get a chance.
However the Modello range was designed in 1988 and the whole range has new numbers. Here is a drawing of the mug and the coffee pot. There are drawings of other pieces too.

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How does the Modello shape compare with other cans?

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 20 Feb - 18:23

Thanks Ev.

I thought, and can see from the picture, it had a more shapely base, but one for sale on tm doesn't give that info.

I had it in mind that Modello was a from scratch design but felt the need to check it out.
I've had opportunities to buy them but it has never been important enough.

Despite the extra shape at the base I'm still inclined to consider it a coffee can.


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Post  Ev on Fri 20 Feb - 18:35

I have a whole set and I do see them listed as cans. The saucer well is the size of a can.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 21 Feb - 16:31

I picked up a Modello duo today and see that it is completely different from the other cans mentioned above.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sat 21 Feb - 20:58

Modello duo unnamed pattern d713.


Unnamed pattern for gallery

I'll take some comparative photos of this with other cans some time.
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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 7:04

How odd, as I know the name of this pattern - Candy d713 or d71300.

Sunny posted it here ... http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1944-candy-for-the-gallery?highlight=candy#5520
and it is in the Classique shapes.

I posted a pic of Candy Ovenware from a 1988 catalogue here ... http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t741-candy-d-71300-ovenware-crown-lynn?highlight=candy#1857
and there is no indication that it is part of the Modello range.

That catalogue has 7 different Modello patterns, but it doesn't include Candy.
However your find proves that it is part of the range due to the shapes.  The Modello sugar and jug are totally different to the photo sunny posted.  So I'm a little confused.


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 22 Feb - 9:44

Well, I did look all through the patterns, and the unknowns, but totally missed it, perhaps because the gallery pic is a jug.

I thought you'd know what it is.

The only Modello I have and it's wrong!
Happy to oblige by providing odd pairings such as this.
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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 9:52

Oh I don't think you are wrong Jeremy. It's just that I wasn't aware of Candy in the Modello range and yours is definitely Modello Candy!
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Post  JanPots on Sun 22 Feb - 10:44

I too have not seen Candy in the Modello range,  but anything goes with Crown Lynn LOL
Just a thought... Its not Taranto cup teamed up with a candy (mug) saucer, by any chance? I can't tell the shade of grey on the attached photo..

I have noticed the Modello saucers do look like the one used with the 3051 mugs.
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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 10:58

I checked it out Janice and it all looks correct.
That looks like my Taranto photo from the catalogue I have and yet it has an attribution to the Museum ....? Do they have it as well???
I often see the Café cups paired up with the Milano Modello saucer, plus a few other patterns too. It's the saucer that is Modello on Jeremy's pair and of course the cup is too and this could go with Taranto.
Most unusual, but perhaps now we will see a few more!
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 22 Feb - 11:22

I got the duo from Arkrights in Dargaville.

They were paired up and there was no other Modello in sight.

The greys appear to match.

The only mark on the cup is the made in New Zealand.

Would you expect a banded pattern on the cup rather than solid grey?

By "wrong" I only meant undocumented and what has been said above: towards the end there were some strange pairings of shape and pattern.

And ...
The saucer is the Modello shape, unlike anything else as far as I know.
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Post  JanPots on Sun 22 Feb - 13:58

The photo is from the museum .. I'll take it off, now you both have seen it Smile
I was thinking that there is the possibility that the saucer could belong with a Candy 3050/3051 mug which would be white with a pink & Grey trim.
Basing it on, that I have not seen Candy as part of the Modello series, that not saying that your Candy isn't a Modello series. If all that makes sense LOL
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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 14:05

This plate from the Portage Museum site shows a Candy Modello plate shape 4075

http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489647/Dinner_plate_-_Candy_pattern

So I think Jeremy has stumbled across something here.
Theoretically this set should have a different number to the Classique shaped Candy, but it doesn't, it has the same number !!!!

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 22 Feb - 14:11

Janice, As far as I know the Modello saucer is different from the mug saucer but I have no mug saucers here to compare.

My Candy saucer is 157mm diameter. It's a big'un!
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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 14:13

The mug saucer and the cup saucer are the same size Jeremy.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 22 Feb - 17:50

Ta.

I had a look at the Modello saucer on Portage and see I was one mm out on the measurement. I was using a 150mm rule so had to estimate the remainder: it could actually match their 158 but it is certainly bigger than the one I thought was the mug saucer (4050) at 155.

Please help me out by telling me the number for the mug saucer.


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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 17:56

4071 she says doing 10 things at once
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 22 Feb - 18:06

Actually with a tape measure of a decent length the saucer came in at 159, halfway between the two sizes I saw for the 4071 which it says is the Modello saucer.

It was the number for the mug saucer I wanted, Ev.

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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 18:08

take your pick .... 3050 or 3051
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Post  JanPots on Sun 22 Feb - 19:14

what date did CL go to the 5 digit numbers? compared with modello series?
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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 19:17

1980's sometime I reckon, though I haven't done any deep research, have you?
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Post  JanPots on Sun 22 Feb - 19:33

I never found anywhere where is it was said... but the 1981 price list had the 5 digits..
edits...  1981 & 1982 price list has 3 digits and the 1986 price list has 5 digits

BTW - Still working on that from your other post.
ev wrote:9 different Modello patterns ..
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What are the others? driving me nuts going through my files LOL
Venice
Taranto
Trieste
Noveau
Milano
Florence
Verona


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Post  Ev on Sun 22 Feb - 19:38

Only 7 sorry Darls, you have listed them all.
One of my pages had fallen out and I counted those 2 patterns again Rolling Eyes
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