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4042 - Rim Saucer 15.11.76

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Post  JanPots on Sun 24 May - 9:39

I noticed that we did not have a 4042 saucer in the gallery
It has the wider well for the 3038 coffee can
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 24 May - 10:18

I don't have access to the documents you and Ev do, Janice, so the 4042 and 4050 cause me some confusion.

The Portage collection agrees with you however their marked stock control saucers tell the opposite story.

The one with the 4050 sticker appears to be a 4042, and the one with 4042 handwritten on it appears to be a 4050:

http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490186/Saucer_-_bisque
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490137

Any explanations?

A wee bit later ...
The original saucer for the 3038s was the 4029. Anyone know when it was replaced?

We have struggled a bit with the 3038s because of the two different handle shapes. Did one precede the other or were both in production at the same time?
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Post  Ev on Sun 24 May - 10:48

The 4050 has a small cup well and goes with the 3066 Honey cup that was first made in 1984. I haven't checked out those other numbers yet as I'm trying to do other things atm.

Here is the Honey cup 3066 and I got this info from a 1988 Catalogue that I have.
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/gallery/Crown-Lynn-Shapes-Catalogue-with-Four-Digits/Cups-Earthenware-3000-3599/3066-honey-cup-29384-pic_4134.htm

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/gallery/Crown-Lynn-Shapes-Catalogue-with-Four-Digits/Flatware-4000-4899/4050-rimmed-bell-cup-saucer-2481-pic_4153.htm
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Post  JanPots on Sun 24 May - 10:56

I got the info from a page in the pattern book. said 4042 with 3038 cup and the rest of the "rimmed" series.

Jermery wrote:The one with the 4050 sticker appears to be a 4042, and the one with 4042 handwritten on it appears to be a 4050:

http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490186/Saucer_-_bisque
http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490137

Any explanations?

That is not what the pattern book shows!! weird -
Ev shall I change it to match the Portage site?
Look at it another time as you are busy ATM with other stuff
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Post  Ev on Sun 24 May - 11:15

Just leave it for now Janice as the Portage are a bit unreliable at times.
I will keep an eye out for more info to sort this out.
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3066/4062 too

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 24 May - 12:23

After reading Thelma's reply to the "who is actually using" thread http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t6380-who-is-actually-using-their-crown-lynn-on-a-daily-basis#25217 I checked out Homestyle here:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t735-homestyle-crown-lynn-tableware#1851

This pamphlet has the 3066 honey cup [29.3.84] sitting on a 4062 Classique saucer [31.9.82] (rather than a 4050 rimmed bell cup saucer [2.4.81]). Photo and numbers are both shown on the pamphlet. (No date given for the pamphlet on the thread.)

I guess it doesn't help that Crown Lynn kept changing their pairings!

(The Homestyle looks great btw. A great everyday set.)
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Post  Ev on Sun 24 May - 14:29

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 24 May - 16:50

So many Classique shapes it would be odd to have a 4050 among them rather than the 4062. If the Homestyle and Pampas are from the same brochure then surely the same saucer?

It is marked as 4062 on the Homestyle display but there are no numbers on the Pampas photo.

I have 4042 and 4050 saucers but no 4062s so I cannot make a physical comparison.

I checked out Portage and from that I see the Classique saucer is a coupe (as are the plates). (The pattern on the Classique saucer in our gallery gives the impression of a rim where there is none.)

See: http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/490191/Saucer_-_bisque

Real surprise that the Classique cup is not included in those sets too. Perhaps it's too small. I actually like the combo they used. Not surprising really for someone who started out collecting Cook & Serve duos: it's a classic (Classique!) coupe saucer and coffee can, or would be if not for the flair at the top of the cup.

All this is not to say that the 4050 is not the saucer for the 3066 cup, just not in that range, as in that brochure, where the 3066 has been substituted for the expected 3061 Classique cup.
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Post  Ev on Sun 24 May - 17:09

I typed up the numbers below the photo from the brochure and all of the Pampas shapes have a rim. Homestyle shapes don't have a rim.
I got lost with the rest of your post sorry Jeremy .....
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 24 May - 17:43

Ta Ev.

I see now that while the uprights are the same in the two sets all the flatware is different: coupe for Homestyle and rimmed for Pampas.
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