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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 3 Jun - 13:40

Currently in the gallery at 183 and 184 are my father's Airforce pepper and salt.
We know they belong there from modellers book pictures ...

... but ...

... they look so out of place among the vases and animals that I think maybe the number was previously used for something else.

On trademe "wetjet" has five vases for sale, four that he knows are Crown Lynn and one other with the number 183.

I bigged up the photo to look at the number and it looks kind of right but still a bit unclear.

Could it be Crown Lynn too?

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183 in the gallery
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/gallery/Crown-Lynn-Shapes-Catalogue-01-881/100-to-199/183-salt-shaker-184-pepper-shaker-pic_6568.htm

183 on trademe
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Pottery-glass/Porcelain-pottery/Crown-Lynn/Vases/auction-896458508.htm
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Post  Ev on Wed 3 Jun - 14:24

To me the shape isn't right for Crown Lynn let alone the number, which I read as 185. The Crown Lynn Spill vases are more waisted than this one. Here is the 8 inch one that was given the four digit number 2048 and it was previously 60/8

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4738-2048-spill-vase-was-60-8?highlight=spill#17120
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 3 Jun - 14:51

Ta Ev.
I see the early spill vases now at number 60.
Those and the faceted number 19 are all similar diameter top and bottom, whereas the auction one seems much smaller at top, so in that way the shape does look different.

I was relying on Lance's description of it being 183 as it looks like 185 to me too but I thought maybe it's a pointy 3. I do wish people would take clearer pics of bases.
Btw, we have no 185.

I'm still curious about the 183 and 184 being where they are, although they do look like they should be an early shape, consistent with the 775, 776, and 777 coffee set.
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Post  Ev on Wed 3 Jun - 15:20

The salt and pepper 183 and 184 are definitely correct according to posters and records. The 415 feeder and 419 navy mug are oddities among the pretty vases etc in the 400's Gallery and there are other surprises too.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 3 Jun - 15:49

I'd wondered about the 419 then thought maybe it belonged there because it was castware, and the other cups in 700s and 800s are jiggered. Then again, the 777 coffee pot is definitely not jiggered. The 415 went through a few shape changes I think.

As we already have four examples of number reuse (431, 432, 736, 738) we are likely to find more yet.

I still fancy Heather's fluted dish as 737, consistent with 735, 736, and 738.

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t910-fluted-dish-from-heather-with-indecipherable-numbers#2299

I'm also looking at the electric kettles 782 (CL number taken) and 785 (CL shape unidentified) being Crown Lynn and first use numbers. Their position in the gallery would fit nicely with the 778 kettle, and we know the 782 coffee can only dates from 1962.

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3275-crown-lynn-russell-hobbs-coffee-perk-electric-jugs#10455

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3470-crown-lynn-electric-jug#11280
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Post  Ev on Wed 3 Jun - 16:00

As you know Jeremy I don't go on hunches in the Shapes Gallery, but like to have facts and I find more info every time I visit the Portage Museum. Mostly in regard to the Four Digit Galleries and Patterns which I add when I get a chance. It's going to take a very long time to go through all of the archives at the Portage Museum, so please be patient and I will do the best I can. Smile
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