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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 27 Apr - 10:16

Brian's gift: another Ambrico handleless cup, and another set of measurements

Other topics of interest to this discussion:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t7395-nzr-shards-ambrico-nzr-railway-cups-1939-43#29321
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t6574-is-this-an-nzr-type-beaker-no-it-s-an-ambrico-us-navy-mug#2601
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t6629-ambrico-e-w-cups-and-saucers-like-smaller-railway-cups#26225
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**Please note that measurements for the same items may vary between topics. This may be a result of different measuring processes and devices. The only reliable way to compare the different pottery pieces is side by side.**
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Here's the straw-coloured Ambrico handleless mug Brian Ronson gave me on Saturday. I had expected it to match my straw-coloured NZR shard, but it does not!
yet another Ambrico handleless cup Ambr110
73mm H x 80 OD top x 50 OD footring
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It is measurably smaller, being closer in size to the white NZR shard, but larger than the latter and thinner in body than both, by 1mm.
yet another Ambrico handleless cup Ambr310
75mm H x 83 OD top: 73 x 80 x 50 OD footring: 71.5 x 77 x 48

While the dimensions place it between the different NZR shards in size I think the thinner body would make it a later piece.
yet another Ambrico handleless cup Ambr410
75mm H x 83 OD top: 71.5 x 77 x 48 OD footring: 73 x 80 x 50: ditto
a possible chronology

I now see it as a size and shape match for my similar straw cup, also shown above, which has an early block handle. This leaves only the other block handle cup, gloworm's one, to compare ... until I find more!

Also of interest in this discussion is the vitrified Ambrico US Navy handleless mug. I have photographed that in comparison with the new earthenware cup to show that while they appear to be the same shape, the size difference is huge, and unless shot side by side (as in the first three rows) they appear to be the same (bottom row).
yet another Ambrico handleless cup Ambr510

As the Auckland Museum files do not record sizes I relied on other distinctions, specifically the relative body thickness, but more obviously the NZR stamp, to distinguish NZR beaker K3905 from US Navy beakers K3910, K5045, and K6357.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 28 Apr - 10:17

Appears but is not.

Ambrico, straw-coloured earthenware. Pre-1948.

Even smaller than the smaller (of two sizes of) vitrified insulator cups from the 1960s.
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