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Post  Ev on Thu 18 Aug - 12:52

Val dropped off several pieces for me to investigate and how fortunate that there are 2 lots with the same numbers on the base when I checked them out with mine,
..... but they are different shapes !!
I thought we were getting somewhere with these, but now I'm not so sure.
All of these pots have throwing rings on the inside of them.

These two shapes have 1 stamped on the base ... but even with enhancing it is very difficult to see the number on the right hand pot.

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These two shapes have 34 stamped on the base.... and have lots of similarities.

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Post  Maryr on Sun 21 Aug - 17:21

Ev do you reckon my number 35 is hand thrown? I looked and looked and wasn't sure.
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Post  Ev on Sun 21 Aug - 17:26

They all appear to be hand thrown to me Val. 
Though I don't see a 35 anywhere Wink
There is a 1, 5, 33, 34 and a running paint one that I can't work out the hand inscribed number, possibly 101?
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Post  Maryr on Sun 21 Aug - 18:02

Woops sorry, I meant 34....
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Post  Ev on Sun 21 Aug - 18:05

I see rings on the inside, though perhaps the master shape was made by someone on a wheel?  Then again there are no slip cast lines either.
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Post  lsylva on Mon 22 Aug - 1:45

Hi,
the one on the right in the top photo might be a no 3, I had a few of them and they are all slightly different,
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Post  Ev on Mon 22 Aug - 8:37

Hi Lance, the top right one has a number one on it and I had to enhance the photo dramatically for it to show up .....

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How interesting that you say that the same numbered shapes can be slightly different as we weren't aware of that.

I guess they didn't use throwing sticks to measure pots they were making as they did at Crown Lynn?
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Post  lsylva on Tue 23 Aug - 2:11

Yes I think he like to do it more by eye in those days, I remember when he stated back throwing in the late 70s sitting and watching him throw a dozen coffee cups and they were all the same shape, only thing he checked was the height. The man had talent

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Post  oakpot on Tue 23 Aug - 16:51

No 12 vase pink with red flowers.The clay body has fired a terracotta colour.It is full of iron and grog. The stamping on the base is spasmodic similar to maryrs no 33 pot.

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Two blue vases no 8 and no 35.
The clay body has fired a smooth off white colour. The base has been sanded flat and the numbers have been stamped evenly with care. Maryrs no 33 pot seems to have a different shaped metal stamp to the no 34 pot.

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Post  Kat & Co. on Tue 23 Aug - 20:54

Another shape 33 cat
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Post  Ev on Wed 24 Aug - 8:30

Thanks for the base photos oakpot as I've added the pots to the Rancich - Silva Gallery and the fact is that there are different shapes for some numbers now.  Also note that the first two shape 01's are the same shape and the 3rd is totally different.

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As a potter who would throw production ware pottery I know that if you weigh your clay you will throw the same shape over and over, with slight variations in height and width.  The dramatically different shapes that now show up in the Gallery for the 3rd shape 01, the shape 12's and the 34's are too extreme to be classed as made by the same potter. 

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I would like to add that Gail Henry has a list of Glen Afton shapes in her book page 124 and shape 34 is listed as a comport which is on page 181 so neither of these shapes above should be made by Glen Afton.  (Thanks sid)  I've just realised that the Glen Afton Shell Vase shape 66 is a copy of the Shorter and Son one!
We are getting some shapes that match perfectly with the numbers which is pleasing and I think we should continue with this research. 
I note with interest oakpot's comments about the clay colour and as most of these vases have painted bases it makes it difficult to check the clay.  However because of age there are tiny bits of clay showing on all of them that will have to be investigated.

The numbers are also worth looking at closer as I have observed that even though the stamps used appear the same, one person who stamped them has 'skewed' the stamp slightly which enlarges it and others are clean and straight.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Thu 11 Jan - 13:29

12cmh handpotted flower pot with 18 stamped on the base..I assume this is Rancich-Silva too. The clay body is skin coloured. Its spraypainted orange over the original 'crackle' finish? did Salisburys do a 'crackle' or has it cracked when sprayed with orange? cat

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