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Post  Kat & Co. on Sun 4 Sep - 9:00

15cmh x 17cmd  I think this is the rimmed planter but cannot read the drawings..

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t6113-modellers-drawings-of-planters-for-reference?highlight=planters




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Post  Ev on Sun 4 Sep - 9:22

150 x 175 is the largest Flower Pot Rimmed so this will be the shape 2145 Kat.
The Medium is 126 x 149 and the small is 103 x124.
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Post  Maryr on Mon 5 Sep - 7:50

I am wondering if this planter is Beach Artware. I have a smaller one that is very similar - it measures H 8.5 cm, width across top 10 cm. The slight crazing of the golden glaze round the top, plus the dribble of glaze down the side make me think Beach. Mine is castware.


Compare with this Beach or Lowrie mug..
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Post  Ev on Mon 5 Sep - 8:09

The glaze on Kat's planter did make me wonder as I can't come up with anything else in those colours and they match the idiosyncrasies of the Beach/Lowrie glazes in your photos.  The shape and measurements of Kat's one match the modellers drawings.  Your wee planter doesn't match the drawings or the measurements.  I notice that your little one has chunks out of the base ring similar to Kat's which is not a common Crown Lynn trait, so I will take it out of the Gallery until further information comes to hand.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 5 Sep - 10:07

I'm thinking I've seen that colourway or similar on CL beehive bowls.
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Post  Ev on Mon 5 Sep - 10:46

Please alert us if you see one in the same glazes Jeremy.
I found one on Pinterest, but in different colours ...
https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/410531322256179679/
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 5 Sep - 10:48

Heres 3059 CL mug in these colours, Im thinking the clay is to white for Beach..

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Post  Maryr on Mon 5 Sep - 14:44

True, Jeremy, the clay is white and fine compared with Beach and Lowrie. That thick top glaze with the dribble down the side still has me not totally convinced it is CL though. It doesn't seem their style. Hopefully Kat and I can both bring our respective flower pots to our next gathering.
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Post  Ev on Mon 5 Sep - 14:54

An excellent idea to discuss these planters across a cuppa Val !!

Here is the Modellers drawings that I have enhanced to show off the shape better.

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 5 Sep - 16:34

Hazlette's 1064s:


from http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4747-1064-double-handle-coffee-mugs-courtesy-of-hazlette#17183

Kat's planter:


My 3059, poorly lit:

from http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5866-3059-japanese-coffee-mug#30241

My only thought is that the yellow on the planter is not so streaky.

I'll go look for the bowls, but perhaps that's not necessary now.
Can't see them. There was a pair that I saw within the last week but they may have been badly titled.

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Later ...
The 3059 cup is dated 8.3.82, which might give an indication of date for other pieces in similar glaze.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 5 Sep - 19:13

Check out the neat 'fishscales' in the drawings above,
we must be able to find one like that! Cool
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Post  Ev on Mon 5 Sep - 19:28

The 616 planter is a Fish Scale one that we already have , but it's a different shape

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Post  Maryr on Tue 6 Sep - 10:38

Ev.. what do you think? Having seen the dribble of glaze down the side of other items I am leaning a bit toward Crown Lynn. ?????
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Post  Ev on Tue 6 Sep - 12:12

I am too Val, but I would really like the Nzpottery group to check it out first.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Fri 16 Sep - 9:38

We have got together & had a look at this again & think this is Crown Lynn. Here is a pic of Val's little 88h x 100w  pot we think maybe 2143 with the 2146 scrolled & rimmed pot we have already in gallery.

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but that can't be right cause the measurements for the 2143 are 103 x 124   Rolling Eyes
           
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Post  Kat & Co. on Fri 16 Sep - 12:30

Ev I just had another look at your enhanced drawings & there are 4 sizes..
do you have more measurements? cat
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Post  Ev on Fri 16 Sep - 12:59

There are measurements in the second post Kat.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Sun 18 Sep - 12:22

Yep for three sizes but there are four pots in the drawing..is there more info on the drawing?
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Post  Ev on Sun 18 Sep - 12:59

Ok so no I know why I didn't post the littlest sizes.
I can't read them clearly that's why Razz
Possibly 83 x 86
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Post  Kat & Co. on Mon 3 Oct - 11:28

These pots look like the drawings for 5024 - 5026 ? what do others think? cat
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 3 Oct - 11:55

Kat, I saw a couple of these 1280s in Habitat today and I think they are the best glaze match so far for your plant pots. They have the least streaky yellow glaze of anything yet. I took a picture then spotted this one by marl already on site.



photo by Kat & Co.

Top photo by marl474 from:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1848-some-possible-titianware-for-the-gallery-soup-cup-1280#5309

The match to the small one is even better. I'm still thinking the two with this glaze are Crown Lynn and the other one (with the raised curlicue patterns) are made by a third party.
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Post  Ev on Mon 3 Oct - 20:56

Yes you have convinced me Jeremy and I will put the 2145 plant pot back into the Gallery.
The one with the curly pattern is shape 2146 and matches the records.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 4 Oct - 8:46

Ev, my comments on the 2146 are based on its very low production values. The slip is thick and very rough and uneven on the inside, and the deco looks a bit random. Size difference from 2145 may also add to this argument.
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Post  Kat & Co. on Tue 4 Oct - 11:19

Check these out Jeremy.. cat

Im still wondering if these pots with holes are shapes 5024 -5026??

http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5810-3-little-1353-potties-and-a-2146-planter

http://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/account/3384/object/489911/Pot
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 4 Oct - 15:44

Okay on the 2146.
All looks good Kat. Transfer good. Description good. I'm convinced.
My only quibble remaining is that your pot must be the worst job of slipcasting I've seen from CL.

The measurements could be the key to whether the others are 214xs or 502xs.
They work well for 5024 (83x100) and 5027 (150x178).

The drawings appear to me to have less taper than the pots.

The 1280 soup bowl is dated 1978, the 502xs are 1979, and the 214xs are 1980-82. That doesn't necessarily help because the yellow/brown glaze colours on the soup bowl may not be from those made in 1978.
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