Patterns from 3012 cups reused on various coffee cans: Focus, Motif, Conifer (and Talahasse vs Candy Stripe)

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Patterns from 3012 cups reused on various coffee cans: Focus, Motif, Conifer (and Talahasse vs Candy Stripe)

Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 28 Oct - 11:54

Recent arrivals of a Candy Stripe shape 3023 cup (orange and brown version) and two new shape 3618s prompted me to review my various coffee can shapes. In particular I'm going to have to check out Val's can in Motif pattern to check whether it is a 3022, which is what I took it to be when I first spotted it on "Crown Lynn with Valerie", or one of the other can shapes, 782 and 3618 (vitrified), or 3023 (earthenware).

Some patterns were used on both cups and cans, but why they were used on a particular can type has yet to make any sense to me. The dates that the various shapes appeared may have some relevance so I have noted them down.

The earliest of the cans, the 782, appeared in 1962 or 1963 and according to notes transcribed by Ev was "replaced" by 3022, 3023, and 3618 in 1968.

The 3012  bevel bottomed cup appeared in 1965 and the similar 3019 "shape twenty-5" in 1967: the similarity of the shapes suggests that the 3019 would have replaced the earlier cup but I have not yet seen any document in support of such a claim.

From the examples I have seen in janpots' 3012 and 3019 collections, patterns used on the earlier cup shape were not reproduced on the later cup, but some were reused on cans.

janpots' 3012 collection from
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4955-photo-of-3012-cups#18252

janpots' 3019 collection from
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t4957-3019-cup-shape-patterns#18256

Focus d878
One of my more recent finds on a 782 Cook & Serve can was Focus. Focus had previously been used on 3012 in blue, brown and black. The blue version can be seen in Anne's post of cups from trademe seller allan1225. Note that the transfer as used on the 782s appears to be upside down. (Another way to say that is that the transfer is rotated 180 degrees: they have NOT been applied inside out.)

lhs credit allan1225 from
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3342-motif-focus-noeleen-rewa-from-allan1225#10727

Focus: colour variations

Motif d944
First used on 3012 and later on 3022 or 3023 or 3618. As I have said, I need to recheck with Val which shape this is as I may have been mistaken in my original assumption that it is a 3022. Again note that although the pattern and colours are the same, as with Focus on 782, the transfers appear to have been applied upside-down on the can. In the photos below the colours appear to be different but I think that is just different lighting.

lhs credit allan1225, rhs credit Valerie Monk from
http://valputaruru.blogspot.co.nz/search?updated-max=2013-09-11T11:18:00%2B12:00&max-results=7

Candy Stripe d528
Candy Stripe was used in (at least) three colour variations on 3023 cans. It may be a stretch to call it the same pattern but a very similar pattern or simply different colours can be seen on another of Jan's 3012 cups. I do not know what pattern name and number Jan's cup has.

unnamed pattern, left, and Candy Stripe variations

In summary some patterns used on 3012 cups but not repeated on the replacement 3019 cups were later used (in altered form) on coffee cans including 782, 3023 and possibly also 3022.


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Post  JanPots on Fri 28 Oct - 12:37

That's an interesting observation J.

Another would be 'Conifer the pink and black fern leaf' - I have seen on the coffee can and 3012 shape cup ( that's on my wish list haha)

By the way... The unknown pattern is called Talahasse D963 on a 3012 shaped cup. Janice
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Fri 28 Oct - 14:22

Thanks Janice.

I now remember seeing an auction for Talahassee recently and even posting it. I may have got the spelling wrong as it was hard to read it as Talahasee. That may let that one off the hook, although it is remarkably similar to Candy Stripe.

As for Conifer, I remembered and then forgot that during the course of writing. I will add a picture of it. Done.

Conifer d917 on 3012 and 782

lhs credit forum member kayabraham, from
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5185-shape-25-conifer#19337
rhs originally posted by Ev on my behalf at
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t3653-conifer-pat-no-917#11984

Did youall notice the upside-down transfer again?

Thanks to janpots for naming the unknown pattern in the original post above. Although Talahassee is the correct spelling of the place name, the name on the backstamp appears to be "Talahass!" ending with an exclamation mark, and no "ee".

I originally posted the link to the trademe listing here http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t7892-talahass-963-talahassee#31427 and have now corrected the spelling. At time of writing the picture can still be seen on trademe at http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1165172019

The backstamp also has the words "Distinctive Table Ware".

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When Crown Lynn introduced "shape twenty-5" in 1967 they added not just a cup but a whole new range of products and may have deliberately chosen then to distinguish the new range from the earlier 3012 cup which superficially appears to differ from the 3019 in the shape of its handle. Supposing that to be the case then the next question is did they choose to continue with the patterns by switching them to the cans, or was it simply a matter of using up transfers at a later time? To me the significance of the dates now becomes apparent, with the 3022, 3618, and 3023 being released just one year after shape twenty-5. Numbers of these shapes seen are so small that it seems unlikely that they were made over a long period.

(I have: three cups in 3022, same unknown pattern in different colours; seven in 3023 including Arthur and Martha, Captain Sharples, Purple Myrtle, 3 x Candy Stripe, and plain brown; three 3618s being Reflections, House of Representatives, and unknown dark grey. Val's Motif cup, shape to be checked, is the only other non-782 coffee can pattern that I am aware of to date. The total so far is 14. Mark Cleverley has led me to believe that there may have been red and blue versions of the Purple Myrtle design, which is a mix of the two colours.)

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26/6/17
Now Napoli and Vision too:
http://www.newzealandpottery.net/t8398-napoli-on-a-3012-cup#33359
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