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Post  Potlot on Tue 1 Aug - 15:00

Hi this piece is a large cup, the handle is a bit misshapen and the glaze uneven .. anyone know if its an NZ potter and if so who?



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Post  teaandcoffee on Tue 1 Aug - 21:49

Pieces of pottery that look like studio produced objects, yet appear to have a transfer pattern on them always catch my attention. There can be something unexpected or perhaps occasionally jarring about the juxtaposition of an individually handcrafted and a mass production industrial process wrapped up in the one thing. I know it shouldn't be jarring - think handwoven carpets with synthetic yarn and dyes, or fine Maori carvings made of fiberboard - but in ceramics it sometimes can be, at least for me.

The look the potter(s) was going for here seems to be scrimshaw on a bone-coloured ground. Are you able to show a picture of the base by any chance Potlot?

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Post  teaandcoffee on Tue 1 Aug - 21:58

There can be something unexpected or perhaps occasionally jarring about the juxtaposition of an individually handcrafted and a mass production industrial process...

Unless of course this is much older than I am assuming.

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Post  Ev on Wed 2 Aug - 10:06

Milton Potteries made this sort of pottery with printed pictures in black and white.

Here is an example from Te Papa

http://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/71102

Another is of a jug in this photo from the Otago Museum ..

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 2 Aug - 10:34

Wow! How topical.

Potlot, teaandcoffee has asked for a pic of the base and I would like to see a full profile showing the handle clearly, if it's not too much bother.

Although this may look thrown, I'm thinking more likely it is a jollyed cup.
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Post  teaandcoffee on Wed 2 Aug - 10:40

If you look at the rim of the cup, I seem to be seeing 'revealed construction' signs of wheel throwing which I associate with post-war studio ceramics, rather than more highly finished Victorian pots. The Milton tableware is likely to have been slip-cast isn't it? pirat

Edits: Our posts crossed Jeremy.
This cup reminds me of a line of Piero Fornasetti sailing ship ceramics from the 1980s(?), which indicates these maybe were part of a short-lived fashion for this deco at one stage which could help with dating.


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Post  Ev on Wed 2 Aug - 10:52

Yes it does look that way T&C.
That dribble of slip on the rim is very noticeable as is the excess ridge of slip.
Though the poster refers to this as glaze ....?
I would also like to see a side on shot and one of the base as well.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Thu 3 Aug - 2:13

I have found only one instance of this engraving on the net so far.

The ship in the google image is described as a Caravel, which in turn is defined as a two- or three-masted sailing ship, esp one with a broad beam, high poop deck, and lateen rig that was used by the Spanish and Portuguese in the 15th and 16th centuries. This isn't a caravel. It appears to be a "ship of the line".

It is a Pinterest image taken from the New-York-based etsy store GraphicSense.
I cannot locate the image on Pinterest or etsy.com

I guess GraphicSense have lifted it from an old book, but what that would be idk.

I have asked the shop if they can provide details of the source for the image.

Google image:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/525654587740834573/

Unfortunately the google link to Pinterest arrives at a different image. I have posted a composite of the cup and the etsy image on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/jeremy.ashford.18
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