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Post  Ev on Wed 2 Oct - 9:46

This glaze can be often found on beer steins and all different manner of pottery.  I rushed to the nearest op shop to find something in this glaze before we visited Hemara and Cam and Bev Brown to see if they could shed any light on the maker.  Hemara immediately said that it was made at Orzel and found a tankard in the same glaze, which he said settled quickly and had to be stirred often when used.  Bev Brown said that this had a lid originally and that Cam senior went to a West Coast beach to get the ironsand for it.
Usually this ware has a flat base, but this has a foot ring and has a faint impression
Made
in
New Zealand
plus something is impressed around the lower inside base ring but I can't make it out ..?
I'm extremely pleased to have solved this mystery indeed !!

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 5 Nov - 0:31

Ev,
There are a couple of small pieces in this glaze in Decor Revived in Whangarei. I remember that the base of one was legible, the other not. I'll try to get some photo's. I don't want to buy them!
See the link at the bottom of this post.

And I notice the shape of your sugar bowl matches the cup numbered c100 on page 2 of the Titian Gallery:
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/gallery/Titian-Gallery/c100-pic_4827.htm
Your sugar bowl and the c100 clearly form part of a set or shape, which was probably sold with a name. You can see the sugar bowl, with lid, creamer, and cups/mugs in a treacle-y glaze in an expired trademe auction just waiting to be jump-started:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/other-nz-manufacturers/auction-647730250.htm
There may be a whole tea or coffee set out there.

Much work has been done on Crown Lynn and a lot needs to be done on Titian, pre- AND post-Crown Lynn.

The Orzel basket weave is another shape or style, which included coffee pot, mugs, sugar bowl, at least three different jug sizes, Tea/Coffee/Sugar canisters and spice jars, baking dish (that I am aware of). It also sold in many different glazes.

A THIRD design/shape pattern is appearing in the two items linked below.
Coffee pot: http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t1884-orzel-coffee-pot#5380
Small jug: http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t4146-orzel-oil-and-vinegar#14301
Who knows what other shapes were made in this style?

I know of a FOURTH too. Juiles Wild in Waipu has two matching jugs of different sizes that differ from all those above. I mentioned turning her down on buying these after my Labour weekend spend-up. I may have to review that decision now!

The "Manhattan" range is a FIFTH.

The Orzel mug in this auction http://www.trademe.co.nz/pottery-glass/porcelain-pottery/crown-lynn/other/auction-658532614.htm may indicate a SIXTH.

That's before we even start looking at the extensive "Settlers Collection".

And then there's Adelaar.......

I have posted Adelaar items with a similar SPECKLE GLAZE at
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t243-adelaar-was-a-brand-name-used-by-titian-in-the-1970-s#14411

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UPDATE
13/12/13

I have found another item that I believe to be an inkwell in this glaze:
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t4378-orzel-adelaar-ink-pot#15298

Also, some salt and peppers I believe to be Orzel, where there appears to be sand in the mud rather than the glaze. Now that would have taken a bit of stirring too:
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t4377-another-orzel-pepper-and-salt#15297


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 18 Dec - 20:58

Although most of the sand glaze pottery appears to be Orzel/Adelaar other potteries used similar glazes too.
Kiln Craft also used a fine speckle glaze on the mug below.
(I also posted this picture in a Beach topic as the design dates from Beach NZ days.)
( http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t3731-beach-nz#14613 )
Orzel sugar in the fine speckle glaze Kilnbe10
On this mug the sand glaze is the top of three colours and also lines the interior of the mug. The finish is shiny and occasionally individual grains of bulge to the surface. Looking inside I see that the concentration of sand is greatest in the bottom of the mug, and least where the mug flairs out towards the bottom.
This endorses Ev's comments from Hemara about the sand settling.
(Too dark for more photos just now.)
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Post  Ev on Mon 30 Dec - 14:57

I can't find the set the Jeremy posted like my sugar pot in the first post, but I came across this set that mrnarna posted ages ago .....

Photo courtesy of mrnarna -
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 30 Dec - 18:50

This one?
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t4394-orzel-set
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Post  Ev on Mon 30 Dec - 19:32

Yes that's the one, but only the sugar shape matches this set.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 30 Dec - 19:55

I know I have seen a set somewhere, but whether trademe or the other forum via google I do not remember.

We have nrnarna's cup and jug and my lidded sugar (if you are happy that the lid belongs) so hopefully a teapot or coffee pot will turn up too.

As for that "set" of mine, yes, it is a set of mugs in one shape, jug in another, and sugar in a third. Now depending on whether you see a cup half full or half empty...

I will continue to view the gallery as it grows OBVIOUSLY! and see if I can match other single items to their proper sets.

Will the "Abbeville" join the other speckle in the Orzel gallery?
I am still not sure whether there are two, three, or even four sizes.
DaSiEm did not give measurements for her pair and I have yet to measure my recent "large" one. See:
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t2478-abbeville-new-zealand#7374
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Wed 8 Jan - 16:21

Ev, I have bought yet another Orzel coffee set, which provides the coffee pot shape to go with the sugar bowl at the start of this topic. (Jug shape provided by nrmarna.)
The seller advertised as pick-up only but I got the go ahead to bid with posting.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=678998623

I believe the cups sold with this set are actually Crown Lynn 1078s (or 1329s).
Does that look right to you? I'm pretty sure they're not Orzel. They don't match shape or glaze.

With coffee pot, lidded sugar basin, milk jug, and cup (C100) and saucer (C102?) we now have a complete set of shapes for the gallery (when it arrives).
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Post  Ev on Wed 8 Jan - 17:15

That odd looking flat lid stands out on the coffee pot and sugar. Yes the mugs look familiar and it will be interesting to see what they are.
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Post  Ev on Thu 9 Jan - 20:26

I found a small sugar bowl which I think goes with mrnarna's set today.  
It's about half the size of the speckled one that I posted first and doesn't have a footring, just has a flat base and the clay feels like it is very low fired.  
I will post a pic in the next few days.
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Post  Ev on Fri 10 Jan - 20:37

Not sure if it's a match with narna's or not now, but I would say it's a definite Orzel?

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Post  Kat & Co. on Sat 11 Jan - 20:08

I think it looks like this cup C100  Smile 
http://newzealandpottery.forumotion.net/t244-orzel-potteries?highlight=orzel+cup
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