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Sunburst d495
isn't this gorgeous, the detail in the feathers is amazing, cheers, marl
Marl474- Number of posts : 675
Location : Te Atatu Peninsula
Registration date : 2011-02-01
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You probably did, I bought it!! marl
Marl474- Number of posts : 675
Location : Te Atatu Peninsula
Registration date : 2011-02-01
Re: Sunburst d495
This is also Sunburst, exactly the same back stamp. Weird huh...
Aaahh, I have since seen the gallery. Very cool...
DaSiEm- Number of posts : 196
Location : Swanson, Waitakere
Registration date : 2011-05-21
re Sunburst Pat No 495
Re your post and photo I have found a sample for my collection , a sweet bowl approx 171 mm Diameter, I guess your photo is of a saucer?
I am writing because it seems to me that the decoration appears to be hand painted and I am posting a close up of a section to show the detail also a closeup of a Rosebud design from a cup. Note the half-tone screen which does not show in the Sunburst decoration. Be clear, I doubt that these were hand-painted but the original was and they somehow found a way to print the design without showing any screen effect. Almost all of my 'feathers' differ one to the other.
Last edited by Jonno on Fri 3 Feb - 19:53; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Remove some photos to make space)
Jonno- Number of posts : 662
Location : Milford,Auckland
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Sunburst 495 on Cook & Serve Coffee Pot
Ev, thanks for putting a name to this pattern on my UGLY coffee jug.
You and Marl474 may think it's gorgeous, but Val and I thought otherwise, particularly wrt its placement on the pot.
As seen on Val's blog:
http://valputaruru.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/coffee-cans-mid-century-at-its-best.html
It does indeed appear to be very irregular and hand-painted.
Where transfers replaced hand-painted designs on Cook & Serve cans the difference was obvious,
leaving no doubt. I would expect a Sunburst transfer to be regularised.
I'm intrigued.
The coffee jug is Cook & Serve.
I can see the saucer definitely isn't from the shape (size of cup ring, and crazing).
All I've see of Jonno's bowl is the detail.
Besides there being 2 different patterns with the same name (albeit different numbers),
the same pattern was used on different types of china.
Considering that we only have three examples to reference what can we assume?
Did it not prove popular? Was it too much work?
Does it date from the same time as the other hand-painted Cook & Serve? (ca1962)
Also of note:
I have five different patterns of Cook/Serve Coffee Pot, the basic black, yellow, and blue, and the blue with Blue Tango lid, all of which have the standard green Cook & Serve stamp, as does the Sunburst; only the Narvik Green has a green, numbered stamp, and the Narvik pattern appears to be screen-printed over the glaze. The Sunburst pattern, whether transfer or hand-painted, is under the shiny clear glaze.
You, Ev, are best placed to provide a date, based on the style of Marl's backstamp, I guess, and any paperwork that's available.
Maybe some other pieces will turn but it certainly seems pretty thin on the ground.
You and Marl474 may think it's gorgeous, but Val and I thought otherwise, particularly wrt its placement on the pot.
As seen on Val's blog:
http://valputaruru.blogspot.co.nz/2013/09/coffee-cans-mid-century-at-its-best.html
It does indeed appear to be very irregular and hand-painted.
Where transfers replaced hand-painted designs on Cook & Serve cans the difference was obvious,
leaving no doubt. I would expect a Sunburst transfer to be regularised.
I'm intrigued.
The coffee jug is Cook & Serve.
I can see the saucer definitely isn't from the shape (size of cup ring, and crazing).
All I've see of Jonno's bowl is the detail.
Besides there being 2 different patterns with the same name (albeit different numbers),
the same pattern was used on different types of china.
Considering that we only have three examples to reference what can we assume?
Did it not prove popular? Was it too much work?
Does it date from the same time as the other hand-painted Cook & Serve? (ca1962)
Also of note:
I have five different patterns of Cook/Serve Coffee Pot, the basic black, yellow, and blue, and the blue with Blue Tango lid, all of which have the standard green Cook & Serve stamp, as does the Sunburst; only the Narvik Green has a green, numbered stamp, and the Narvik pattern appears to be screen-printed over the glaze. The Sunburst pattern, whether transfer or hand-painted, is under the shiny clear glaze.
You, Ev, are best placed to provide a date, based on the style of Marl's backstamp, I guess, and any paperwork that's available.
Maybe some other pieces will turn but it certainly seems pretty thin on the ground.
Jeremy Ashford- Number of posts : 3193
Location : Whangarei, New Zealand
Registration date : 2010-09-11
Re: Sunburst d495
I'm intrigued also Jeremy and will check out what records I have for Sunburst after I've processed all of the Pattern Book photos from the Museum.
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A bit of an aside - I see in Val's blog an "Arthur and Martha" cup (which I love by the way lol) I've never seem before and it doesn't seem to be in the galler either - any chance of asking for the photo for the gallery for it?
Cat-a-lat- Number of posts : 1043
Location : Palmerston North
Registration date : 2012-02-15
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Ev, I have all the time in the world.
Ev, Cat, I've emailed in some pics of Arthur and Martha. As Val noted, they had gathered a bit of dust when she shot them, mine were taken a month earlier, before the dust had settled.
Ev, Cat, I've emailed in some pics of Arthur and Martha. As Val noted, they had gathered a bit of dust when she shot them, mine were taken a month earlier, before the dust had settled.
Jeremy Ashford- Number of posts : 3193
Location : Whangarei, New Zealand
Registration date : 2010-09-11
Re: Sunburst d495
My curiosity got the better of me and I had a look for Sunburst in the records and found it in 1964/65 not far away from Danzig.
JanPots- Number of posts : 2158
Registration date : 2012-05-10
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some good info here
my first thoughts on calling the casserole an 870 were "when was Sunburst first used"
that is answered
next point: must remember that three digit shape were still used after 1964!
final point: ultimately it would be better to use an earlier example of the shape with a pattern more indicative of the time of first use of the the shape
but: dream on!
Nice one Janice. Something new for Kay's collection of collections maybe.
my first thoughts on calling the casserole an 870 were "when was Sunburst first used"
that is answered
next point: must remember that three digit shape were still used after 1964!
final point: ultimately it would be better to use an earlier example of the shape with a pattern more indicative of the time of first use of the the shape
but: dream on!
Nice one Janice. Something new for Kay's collection of collections maybe.
Jeremy Ashford- Number of posts : 3193
Location : Whangarei, New Zealand
Registration date : 2010-09-11
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Jeremy .I thought it was a later shape number because of it being cook n serve. Then i thought it was shape twenty5 because of the handle. I searched through the records but could only find shape 870. I am not sure
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it in the op shop I was quietly smirking to the counter to pay.
The lid is so delicate, it's no wonder the lids are not often seen.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it in the op shop I was quietly smirking to the counter to pay.
The lid is so delicate, it's no wonder the lids are not often seen.
JanPots- Number of posts : 2158
Registration date : 2012-05-10
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Thanks for that Ev... it's been a while since I looked at shapes and their numbers.. for some reason I thought the square handle was shape twenty5 but we don't have that mustard pot shape yet. So I was totally " up the wrong path " lol
The photo is awesome by the way
The photo is awesome by the way
JanPots- Number of posts : 2158
Registration date : 2012-05-10
Re: Sunburst d495
Thanks to DigitalNZ for sending me a link to their Crown Lynn uploads, I watched a video from 1968 where Sunburst had the light brown pattern put on by machine and the painters put the dark brown tip bits on by hand
Here is the video ... there is just a short bit on Crown Lynn, but such an important bit !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Y85AuMClg
Here is the video ... there is just a short bit on Crown Lynn, but such an important bit !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Y85AuMClg
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