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Post  Ducks Nuts on Tue 25 Jun - 10:46

From the collection of Ducks Nuts.... This lovely wee set. I've got stacks of other intercontinental stuff but this is a wee favourite. Very Happy:D



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Post  Ev on Tue 25 Jun - 12:21

omg!!!! That is super lovely!!!!
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Post  Ev on Sun 3 Jan - 18:51

I must find the number for that vitrified lidded sugar Duckie as I got the drawings for the Intercontinental from the Portage Museum.
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Post  Ducks Nuts on Sun 3 Jan - 19:11

One day I might dig this lot of the box it's in, who knows what box! But when it comes out I'll have a look!
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Post  Ev on Sun 3 Jan - 19:20

I can pick it up out of this photo for the Gallery without having you to sort though boxes Duckie. It looks like it's a 732 Sugar with a 1623 Lid and Knob first made 11.11.67.
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Post  Jonno on Sun 3 Jan - 20:29

What a lovely set and I can assure that they must have been used for really top level guests only. I used to visit the Intercontinental regularly and stay there on occasion but was never served with that design.
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Post  Ducks Nuts on Sun 3 Jan - 21:09

Yes it is, a real treasure! Having it packed away in a box somewhere isn't doing it any justice, I'll get it out one day soon, find a wee spot for it.
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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 4 Jan - 1:21

Ev, your suggestions for numbers for the wee sugar bowl and lid make perfect sense.
The 732 description is as 776 which is slap bang in the middle of the old coffee set with demitasse duos and the 1623 is right after the vit teapots.

I have a problem though, in that none of the gallery shapes for 732 and 776 match the sugar bowl above, seen better in some photos we have in the 871 topic:
https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t1024-871-is-a-mustard#17645
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Post  Ev on Mon 4 Jan - 6:49

This range is for the Banquet Hall at the Intercontinental.
Perhaps it is the angle of the photo Jeremy as I have the same thoughts?  
We have other photos in the records which I will try to find when I can for this lidded sugar and there is also a smaller one, but they don't show the shape numbers.
Your link shows the shape for this exactly and it doesn't look like a 732, but I can't argue with the drawings.
Here is the drawing and the numbers ....

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Here is a pic of the Vitrified range from 1968 and it includes two sizes of these lidded sugars... surely they both have different shape numbers?

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 4 Jan - 9:22

The wee sugar in Ducks Nuts' picture is definitely a different shape from that in the drawing. It is smaller and has a lid that sits completely inside the bowl, whereas both images in the Intercontinental drawing clearly show bowls with overhanging lids.

It appears not to have the Intercontinental transfer, and, from what I can see of it, neither does the wee 1621 creamer.

I have no doubt that, in general at least, the wee sugar belongs with the hotel teapots as I have seen them together in the later Intercontinental colours.

Query shape 779 miniature sugar bowl (possibly too early) and 1624 (no description in the gallery).
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Post  Ev on Mon 4 Jan - 9:39

To my eyes the drawing and the large lidded sugar in the Vitrified Ware photo are a match.  I am thinking that the smaller one matches Duckie's one especially when it is only as big as the small jug.  There is only one size lidded sugar in the drawings that I can see, but I will check them out again when I can.  Janice is coming today, so I will be a bit busy.

They say that the Coffee Saucer is a 4615, but I need to check that out to see which size it is ....

Yay at last I can identify the two Interconinental Hotel patterns.
Duckie's lot is the Intercontinental Banquet Hall Pat.No.990
and Manos's Intercontinental plate with the compass points is the Intercontinental Coffee Shop Pat.No.991.  Ok so what is the green Intercontinental one then ?? Found the answer as there is only one Intercontinental pattern left in the Database - Intercontinental Silkscreen Pat.No.975 cheers


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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 4 Jan - 12:23

Here is the saucer I pick for 4615 with text and pics from my vit cup and saucer topic. Where I say that the 4615 became the 4619 what I mean is that the 4619 replaced it. The 4619 "replaced" almost all vit saucers including ultimately even the railway cup saucer.
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Cup 3616 as 783 or 3010 with 781 handle 7.11.67. Unknown saucer. Heavy, small diameter OD (14cm) but large diameter foot ring, rolled edge, appears quite flat. I have no ideas but will work on it. This example of Val's is Riviera d956. Dated 1968. [Ed 13/6/14 I'm thinking this could be the 4615, which became the 4619.]

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Provenance: straight from the factory. Original photos by Val: https://www.newzealandpottery.net/t5265-cup-3616-and-saucer-for-jeremy#19700
20/6/14 I just picked up one of these. It is small at 14cm and has a well suitable for a vitrified tulip; the 4619 is 14.5 and has a larger well, so it is not any easy "replacement" for this. Stumped again. As it has the double red stripe, I have photgraphed it with one of my Carlton cups in the same pattern: it actually fits nicely.
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Post  Ev on Mon 4 Jan - 17:58

Thanks Jeremy as I agree with you regarding the 4615.  
Here is the drawing and I will add Val's pic to the Gallery.  
The cup is the same shape as the Riviera one of Val's.

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Mon 4 Jan - 20:25

Now I'm confused.

The picture shows the profile of a saucer that I do not recognise.
It has no roll edge.
The footring is not as wide as that of the saucer I have shown.
The base within the footring has a solid in the middle like the demi saucers and the railway saucers but like no other that I can think of.
But, the demi saucers at that time (mid-60s) also had a roll edge as did the railway saucers.

See my problem.
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Post  Ev on Mon 4 Jan - 20:37

Hmmmm let me load a pic of the demi saucer ...

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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Tue 5 Jan - 10:34

That's a bit helpful as I know that saucer has a rolled edge, so maybe rolled edges are not showing in those drawings.
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Post  Ev on Tue 5 Jan - 18:58

Here is another 4615 drawing ...

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