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Post  Jeremy Ashford on Sun 13 Aug - 16:44

"The next ones to watch for are the wee ones that can be seen at Te Papa.
https://www.tepapa.govt.nz/sites/default/files/beakers-crownlynn-airnz-tepapa-800x585.jpg"
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Ev, I'm bringing this topic back to the forum as I'm getting a bit wordy for Skite Site.

If the other beakers or goblets in Te Papa and the Drummond Collection auction are castware, which seems most likely, they would have PRECEDED the "1134 Air New Zealand Goblet" (18/1/72) BY AT LEAST 5 MONTHS (closest break in numbering before is numbers 1127-29, which were made before 8/7/71) OR FOLLOWED BY NO LESS THAN 7 YEARS (if they could be the "1289 Fruit or Cocktail Dish" 10-12/78, which I doubt) but more likely as much as fifteen (as the next break in numbering is 1436, 1984-86).

If Crown Lynn then my next guess would be Orzel, which would be easy enough identify if we could see the fettling on the footrings. Some idea of their date of use would certainly help here. If we are looking at approximately the same time as the ones we know, the 1134, then that is too early for Parker Pottery, who would be next guess.

If they were Orzel, then Cam Brown may know something of them.

If Crown Lynn then perhaps Bruce Yallop would be the man to talk to.

If they are not castware then that is an avenue I have yet to explore.
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Post  Ev on Sun 13 Aug - 16:50

I seem to remember going down this road before, but we couldn't find any necessary data to confirm. I would like to hold one and see the base too. But the fact is there are barely any to be seen. Perhaps they were a small special run that wasn't repeated hence no need for a number? The different glazes could have been done for trial purposes .....
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Post  Ev on Sat 16 May - 9:28

Jeremy this item in the Ngaire Hart Estate auction that is coming up at Cordy's shows the bases for these little beakers. I doubt very much that they were made by Crown Lynn, as they have been fired on stilts and the glaze is not familiar.

I plan to go to the viewing just to hold one to see what the weight for size feels like.

https://www.cordys.co.nz/auctions/C004/catalogue/0192
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Post  Maryr on Mon 18 May - 16:04

Ev. Well spotted. Those other two beakers don't look like anything I have ever seen. Very groovy though. I wonder who on earth made them.
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Post  Ev on Mon 18 May - 16:11

Val one of these little beakers were in Jim Drummond's big auction and were called Crown Lynn.
One sold for $160 and any I have seen since have gone for silly money!
People now believe that they were made by Crown Lynn.
I don't think so ....

To see the bases of these at last is a revelation.
I will try to go to the viewing of the Hart auction just to feel the weight and look at the bases.
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Post  Maryr on Mon 18 May - 16:13

Agreed those bases absolutely do not look like any Crown Lynn I have ever seen. Nor do they look like Orzel... those stilt marks are significant, as you say.
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Post  Ev on Mon 18 May - 16:22

As the original link to the Te Papa record doesn't work, I'm adding a new one.
They state that these were made by Crown Lynn in the 1970's and they are not in the records.
https://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/212190
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Post  Maryr on Mon 18 May - 16:35

I hope Te Papa corrects that one day.
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Post  Ev on Mon 18 May - 18:08

I don't think they will until we find out who made them Val.
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